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Oops...upon re-reading, I see I didn't think some things through or express them the way I meant to...pot meet kettle, etc.

But what if the point of these seminars were merely to teach, and demonstrate, the principles of sound financial management, accountability, and good government

I didn't mean to suggest that Europe should teach Iraqi imams how to be good accountants. I mean that European imams trained in the principles of laic society might be able to engage Iraqi imams and establish the philosophical or theological basis for the conclusion that nothing in the nuts and bolts of good government is a threat to Islam, and that in fact, good government is required for Islam to flourish.

For example, one of the major barriers to good government is the taboo on open debate, and its corollary, an irrational obsession with conspiracy theories. Might there be some sort of positive alchemy between Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani's Quietist tradition, which has ancient roots in Islam, and European-trained imams? Perhaps Europe could engage on that front.

and might even work

By that I don't mean it would directly lead to in peace or human rights in Iraq. What I mean by "work" is, set the stage for the outbreak of good government, in which imams don't necessarily have a direct role, but do preach things like accountability, open dealings as opposed to secret pacts, that sort of thing.

This is what I was getting at, way back when I asked, what does the Iraqi concept of human rights have in common with the Western view.  Human rights are universal, in the same sense that math or science are universal, but they still have to be taught.  One could start with the basics, such as addressing the Iraqi (or indeed, Middle Eastern, but not necessarily Muslim) cultural taboo against open discussion.

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Or, maybe there is just no way that European soft power can help in Iraq...

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by John in Michigan USA on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 06:43:11 AM EST
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I don't know much about this "taboo against open debate" of which you speak. I'm tempted to ask you to elaborate this idea that the main obstacle to good governance in the Middle East is the taboo against open debate in a diary...

Now, as far as I was aware, Sistani does not agree with Khomeini's doctrine on the rule of the Jurisprudents, and that appears to be a position that he shared with his predecessors. He is not interested in leading a political movement (unlike Sadr), and he has been consistent in demanding more democratic (even secular liberal) government practices such as when he insisted (and gained that as a concession from the US) that the Iraqi Constitution be approved in referendum.

Other than that, I'm out of my depth.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 07:01:05 AM EST
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The "taboo against open debate" is a shorthand for a preference for conspiracy theories, the more elaborate the better.  If two explanations for an incident (say, a power failure) are offered, one straightforward and one involving elaborate machinations that violate Occam's Razor and discount coincidences and common mistakes at all turns, the elaborate conspiracy will tend to be more popular and more easily discussed.  This is of course a stereotype, but it is real enough to matter in the middle east.

A few examples of many:


  1. The 2004 Xmas earthquake near Aceh, allegedly caused by CIA underground nuclear device.

  2. Top 10 Middle Eastern Conspiracy Theories

  3. The art of Middle Eastern conspiracy theories

  4. Undersea cables.

From what I've read, Iraqi domestic politics are just as byzantine.  It becomes so pervasive, people actually do engage in conspiracies preemptivly, since they're convinced everyone around them must also be conspiring.  This creates a vicious cycle of conspiracies that takes on a reality all its own.

Why not deploy some of Europe's soft power to debunk the more fantastic of these, with long-term goal of breaking the vicious cycle, while avoiding controversial issues like Colonialism, Palestine and Geopolitics in general?

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by John in Michigan USA on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:01:57 PM EST
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Maybe one day this comment of yours will be thrown up as evidence that the EU is engaged in a conspiracy to cover up American and Israeli conspiracies in the Middle East...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:15:29 PM EST
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I don't think debunking is what's needed: for a start, who the hell is going to listen to Europe debunking conspiracies when it's obvious to anyone that Europe is involved in half of them.

You seem to misunderstand the reason that people create conspiracy theories.

To take an example, there is no obvious rational reason for the invasion of Iraq, and people like simple stories, so they make up the one that seems simplest to them: Iraq was invaded so the US could take the oil (with a side order of mendacity by whoever you happen not to like).

That the Iraqi invasion was the result of a collection of forces acting in their own perceive short-term interests in such a way that it became possible for the Bush regime to invade Iraq without any great overarching conspiracy is more complicated to explain than the "simple" conspiracies. On top of that, an analysis of the reasons for the Iraq war would be less than flattering to an awful lot of players in Iraq, the US, the Middle East and Europe. I'm not sure that explaining that Iraq was, in part, invaded because it meant that arms manufacturers would make more profits is going to have  a positive effect on the Iraqi zeitgeist.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:24:30 PM EST
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Haven't we been doing that for a bit too long already?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 03:39:09 AM EST
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No, we decided to stop pretending to care and joine the Dark Side in 2006.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:18:40 AM EST
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