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I live in one of the most conservative whack-job cities in the country, and I've never heard the idea of just taking the oil as a proposition. I've heard plenty of people say that the solution to the problem in the middle east is to turn it into glass, but even those are only half-serious. By far, most Americans think that we are in Iraq, etc., for reasons based on good, traditional morality, not to get the oil.
by asdf on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 08:33:13 AM EST
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What city?

That's been my experience, too.  In fact, the conservatives go out of their way to state that we didn't go for the oil.  I don't think most people believe we went for good reasons anymore, though.  At first, I'm sure most did.  But these days I think people generally believe we went simply for the benefit of Bush's cronies.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 08:44:09 AM EST
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Colorado Springs.
by asdf on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 08:44:39 AM EST
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I'd heard Colorado Springs was coming along quite nicely into the modern era.  I knew it was one of those bizarre survivalistish-conservative western towns for a long time.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 08:53:04 AM EST
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Nope, it's still one of the most conservative places you can find.

There is a pretty solid lefty community in the downtown area, but the city is very dependent on the military (Fort Carson army base is one of the main Iraq embarkment places, and Peterson AFB, Schriever AFB, the Air Force Academy, and NORTHCOM headquarters are here...) and there's a huge retired military population. Also it has a strong southern flavor with the attendant problems. And there is a big evangelical christian community, including the headquarters of a whole bunch of mission groups that you only will know about if you listen to short wave radio.

Plus we have some world class conservative idiots in our political system, including the famous Doug Bruce, inventor of the TABOR system of tax indexing that has ruined Colorado's finances, and who has only this year been caught kicking a photographer during the legislative swearing-in ceremony and then shortly afterwards calling undocumented workers "illiterate peasants."

Bottom line is that we have a lot of nutjobs around here. But if you don't read the newspaper it's easy to avoid knowing about it!  :-)

by asdf on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 09:13:23 AM EST
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and who has only this year been caught kicking a photographer during the legislative swearing-in ceremony and then shortly afterwards calling undocumented workers "illiterate peasants."

Just wow.

by Nomad on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 09:55:52 AM EST
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Nomad, you should consider a tour of some of the more politically "scenic" parts of the USA just to properly calibrate your sense of "Wow."  We have areas here that even hard line, pre-Mandela Afrikaners would find congenial.  As a bonus, some areas are very beautiful, Colorado Springs and San Diego being two examples.  However, it would take a while to properly assess local attitudes.  There are many genuinely friendly people, even in small, rural towns there are usually humane and worldly souls and the really dark side of the others normally only emerges when they feel pressed.

The distance we have come and the distance remaining to go are both impressive.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:27:17 PM EST
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As a virtual alternative one could browse through many of the newspapers in the Gannett family.  My mother used to subscribe to the Tucson Citizen and the LTEs were always a plentiful source of RW foam.  My local paper, The Baxter Bulletin, is also a Gannett paper.  It is the paper of record for North Central Arkansas.  I can only dream of having the Bulletin bought by McClachy.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:45:42 PM EST
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