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Obama isn't going to take US forces out of Iraq, and to be honest the likely result of a US withdrawal in Iraq is an Iraqi genocide in which the Sunnis and Kurds are knocked off.  I don't think that we're talking about something on the order of the Holocaust, but matching Rwanda or Bosnia? Sure.

My recipe for Iraq? Declare a firm date of pullout of all troops. Give this date with enough time for all of the power factions in Iraq to pre-negotiate their relationships after the end of the occupation. Apologize to the Iraqi's, say you are very, very sorry about the state of their country. Give the option to any Iraqi who wishes to immigrate to coalition-of-the-willing countries, in case the should feel they've had enough and don't want to stick around for the occupation aftermath and possible genocides. Those people leaving should be granted immediate permanent residence in the receiving country. That way, those that stay in Iraq to try to resolve the conflict amongst the different groups will at least have made the choice to do so.

Then leave. And let the chips fall where they may. And promise not to do it again.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 09:17:00 AM EST
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Which is basically what's going to happen.  The deadline on having the troops out, for now, is May 20, 2010.  Obama's not going to have much choice on staying or going anyway.  His op-ed in the NYT this morning suggests he's clearly, despite the best efforts of McCain and the AP to convince us otherwise, looking to get out.

The only issue will be hammering out the details of what to do with Iraqis who want to get out, too.

MfM's assumptions are a little silly here.  The idea that the Sunnis outside of Iraq are going to sit around while the Shi'ia slaughter the Iraqi Sunnis is ridiculous.

I'm also not a big believer that the Shi'ia are going to set about trying to kill all the Sunnis and Kurds the moment we turn our backs.  I don't follow how our soldiers would prevent this either.

I'm skeptical, too, as these excuses for staying are the excuses provided by the Very Serious People who supported the war and want to stay in order to prop up their imaginary honor.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 09:45:01 AM EST
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Which is basically what's going to happen.

Except of course the part about letting iraqis emigrate to coalition countries. I do not have the numbers but recently it was reported that the swedish town of Södertälje has accepted more refugees from Iraq then the entire US. And I bet there are towns in Syria that is housing more refugees then Sweden in total.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 10:12:34 AM EST
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True, but that's a reflection of the current president not wanting to make it seem as though incredible numbers of Iraqis are fleeing to America for safety.  It'd kind of damage his whole "The surge is working" argument.  I think you'll find Obama more open to it (assuming, of course, that he wins).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 06:35:25 PM EST
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Call me cynical, but I have a hard time imagining that. Not only would it set precedents that I think the US might rather want to not set, it would also be attacked - fiercely - by his domestic opposition. I don't think that anyone in Washington thinks a million or five Iraqis are worth the political capital required to treat them decently.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 03:59:37 AM EST
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