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real companies making real things has turned the US industrial scene into the bargain basement of the developed world.

You along with some other people here are reading too much oversimplified MSM. The US is the world's #3 exporter - but it's mostly high value items in industries that employ a small number of highly paid workers and a medium number of average paid workers. Everyone else is stuck in poor paying service jobs that barely afford a middle class lifestyle, and soon won't do that at all.

If this country had an aggressively egalitarian redistributionist policy, instead of the reverse, the "gutting" (transfer of jobs to other countries) of US industry would hardly be an issue. The main problem confronting American culture would be figuring out what to do with all our free time when we've been taught to believe that hard work gets us into heaven.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 02:15:52 AM EST
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Au contraire - the gutting of productive industry isn't exactly a main theme of the Anglo-American MSM - which is much more focused on "high value" branded, technological, intellectual, financial, and service products.  The industrial production component of the "value chain" of such products is often small, relatively invisible, and often off shored.

MillMan:

The US is the world's #3 exporter

Being ranked behind Germany and China isn't exactly a great statistic for a country as large and wealthy as the US - especially when you consider its near hegemony in areas like military, aerospace, software, and "world" branded products which command prices/margins well above the (often much smaller) competition.

Increasingly American soft power (as exercised through global corporations) requires the exercise of covert or overt American hard power (military presence/political manipulation) to maintain its dominance.  A focus on short term gain rather than on longer term R&D, product quality, innovation and collaboration with local enterprises is undermining the US effort.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 06:19:49 AM EST
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Au contraire - the gutting of productive industry isn't exactly a main theme of the Anglo-American MSM - which is much more focused on "high value" branded, technological, intellectual, financial, and service products.

It was a constant theme throughout the 90's - the primary era in which offshoring was occurring. It is still common today, moreso as race/immigration baiting with the rise of fox news and shock journalism. What didn't and doesn't get questioned is the institutional basis for what is happening.

Being ranked behind Germany and China isn't exactly a great statistic for a country as large and wealthy as the US

I often bring this point up because many people say that the US produces nothing, likely meaning very little, in which case the export rating would be far lower.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 12:50:05 PM EST
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Take away easily pirated intellectual property and the US doesn't really have much outside of military and related (civilian aerospace).

It's amazing that for all the US' dependance on multilateral bodies (esp. trade) for its economic well-being that it is so bi- and uni-lateral in its own disposition.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 03:14:14 PM EST
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Prior to Bush 43 there was more of an emphasis on coordination with our allies, both by Dems and Repubs.  Reagan is the closest to W when it comes to disregard for the sensibilities of allies.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 04:05:59 PM EST
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I dunno, seems to me LBJ wasn't the greatest at coordinating.

Nixon either. Or Carter, for that matter.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 04:08:03 PM EST
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Well, "more of an emphasis," especially with Bush 41 and Clinton.  And it was a different world prior to 1988.  I  am not saying any of them were great at consultation, although Bush 41 was able to build an impressive coalition and get lots of monetary assistance in addition to military assistance for Iraq I, once he figured out how to market it domestically.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 04:16:26 PM EST
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