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What's tragic about the renditions isn't so much that they are evil, as that they are utterly fucking pointless. They serve no purpose.  They don't make the world safer, but they do erode the idea that there are rules that apply to everybody and which are not to be broken.

No, what's tragic about fucking renditions is that individuals are being tortured, broken and killed. (Are you arguing that it's ok to be evil so long as you'll benefit from it? Is being evil to make the world "safer" - by which you seem to  mean make the US safer - alright?) That the US is publicly endorsing torture and a  gross disregard for both the law and basic human decency is a further collection of tragic acts of evil on top of the original one.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 09:10:23 AM EST
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Amen.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 09:12:43 AM EST
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Well said

No excuse  for torture, not ever, no matter the situation, no matter the number of lives it will supposedly save, its flat out wrong, 100% wrong in any and all circumstances.

Obamas first action should be the arrest of his predecessor and his henchmen, and if it turns out that they have presidential pardons that stop any legal action, then  get the ICC charter ratified and hand the mob over to the Hague

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 09:25:40 AM EST
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Yup, and if you believe you need to torture in order to save those lives then you still go to jail for an extended period, even if on the off chance that it works: surely it's worth it. A noble sacrifice in the service of others that any true Jack-what's-his-name wannabe should be glad to make.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 at 09:33:13 AM EST
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