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nah, they'll just arrest a few towel-heads and then shut the place down.  the idea is to deflect the fears of the defense contractors/war profiteers that Obama is gonna take down their cash cow.  he can screw them after elected.  Remember that General Electric, a major arms manufacturer, owns NBC.  A, tis the life in America!
by paving on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 05:55:14 PM EST
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That's the 'Obama - he's clever. Heh heh heh.' defence.

So far, not convinced. And on dKos, the people are loving that 'Back to the Stone Age' vibe.

So. We'll see.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 06:01:45 PM EST
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Nothing said in a US presidential campaign has any bearing on what happens afterward.  If you doubt this please review the George W. Bush 2000 campaign and let me know how much that resembles his 8-year Administration.

Sure, Obama might really enjoy invading Pakistan.  I for one doubt he cares.  It does make him more electable to posture in this way, however, and that's what counts right now.  Once in office you "make an effort" and then don't actually do it.  Political expediency trumps all.

Pakistan is a nuclear power.  The US will not be invading anything of substance there and nothing at all without the wink and nod approval at least of the Pakistani government.  This is just tough talk during a dog-and-pony show.  Call me when the troops cross into Pakistan en masse and then I'll believe this claptrap.

Now, were this McCain, I wouldn't doubt him for a second.

by paving on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 08:12:45 PM EST
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Sure, Obama might really enjoy invading Pakistan.  ...  It does make him more electable to posture in this way, however
I'm not worried about the candidate because of the posturing, I'm worried about the voters because this makes him more electable.

Sounds like a dangerous bunch of people...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 03:04:43 AM EST
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It's the "Who has the biggest cock?" thing, and I'm afraid it's going to be a while before that problem is remedied simply because of the decades of fighting that has conditioned the electorate to think about foreign policy that way.

Posturing doesn't bother me.  That's just how the game is played.  Always has been, always will be, in any country with competitive elections.

What I'd be concerned about, if I were Obama, is the fact that McCain is now changing his positions to match Obama's on a lot of foreign policy issues (Afghanistan, Iran, etc).  Given the behavior of the press, that makes Obama vulnerable to charges that he's copying McCain's positions (and the GOP operatives are already spinning it that way), even though it's clearly the other way around.

And if McCain keeps doing that in his effort to appear as Not Bush, Obama can't stick to his positions on these issues.  He needs to move left to differentiate himself, so that the press doesn't start pushing the "They agree on everything!" stuff, which McCain would obviously love.

That, of course, could be a good opportunity to shift "the center" in the overall debate, but, as the press seems to have an unquenchable thirst for charging Obama with flip-flopping even where it's completely imaginary, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do smoothly.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 01:18:04 PM EST
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Agreed.

But what I think might happen is Obama making something more than a half-assed effort to get bin Laden.  Doing so would send his approvals into the 80s or 90s and allow them cover to declare victory and get out.

The reason I think him declaring victory and getting out is a possibility is because of the fact that I think failing to do so would almost certainly make Afghanistan the new Iraq, and Obama the new Bush, in the eyes of the voters.

The benevolent dictator kind of talk over at dKos is silly.  From the perspective of a politician with survival instincts, getting out makes sense.  Bush can't run again, but Obama would be facing reelection in 2012.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 08:26:36 PM EST
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The benevolent dictator kind of talk over at dKos


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 03:21:16 AM EST
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Well, that's the attitude some of them are taking, isn't it?

Not that that's terribly surprising, of course, since candidates always have a certain group that will defend them no matter the circumstances.  That's what bases are.  It's just the nature of the beast.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 01:03:10 PM EST
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