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Obama or McCain this fall, our next president is going to be Ron Paul or a similar libertarian. Paul's brand of populism is the only populism that exists in the US today, and Americans are going to flock to it very soon.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 01:03:04 PM EST
Truthers, Rejoice!

In other election-related news, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has an interesting response to the big hoopla over that New Yorker cover (I can hear the outrage from David Gregory now):

The difference between the two, of course, being that this one at least has truth to it.  St John is a confused old man, and Cindy McCain is a pill-popping, erm, "trollop" (although the "trollop" bit is not referenced, since that's a no-no, while attacking Michelle Obama has become routine).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 01:27:49 PM EST
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I think a left wing populist can succeed in the US, but there aren't any around that are charismatic enough.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 01:33:32 PM EST
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I don't think Ron Paul could get elected dogcatcher in 99% of the counties in America, especially given his past survivalist-type rants about blacks and gays and all that.  America has some obvious libertarian tendencies, but it's not a fundamentally libertarian country.

Look what happened to Bush when he suggested privatizing Social Security.  He didn't even get a bill written.

Beyond the foreign policy, on which I think someone like him could do well, I don't see his appeal.  Maybe capitalizing on the Fed and Wall Street's unholy alliance, but I think people's eyes would glaze over, and he'd simply come off sounding like he was a hundred years old.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 01:44:15 PM EST
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Well, I'm trying to calibrate for a populace struggling through a depression, which is admittedly not much more than a guessing game.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 01:48:42 PM EST
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Actually I think a depression makes the election of someone like Ron Paul even less likely.  People want security during times of crisis.  They want the government to do something.  Ron Paul would be the opposite of what most people would have in mind.  His message would be easily turned into basically telling the people, "Hey, go screw yourselves."  He'd be Herbert Hoover, but without even the half-assed effort.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 01:57:32 PM EST
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I think it's a knife edge between demanding socialist policies and attacking scapegoats.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 02:23:09 PM EST
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Agreed.  Really, I think it's a lot of both, and the line between the two can be pretty blurry in the real world.  But I don't think scapegoating blacks/gays/Jews/Latinos/whatever would earn you much political capital outside of maybe 5% of the electorate these days.  Even the immigration stuff only appeals to about 25% of the electorate who really care about the borders, and they're all Republicans anyway.  Back in the early-20th Century it would've worked, but nowadays you'd have to scapegoat -- oh, I dunno -- speculators.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 02:37:49 PM EST
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The loss of Wellstone was truly tragic.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 02:11:39 PM EST
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Yes, it was, although Wellstone had his issues, too.  He voted in favor of the "Defense of Marriage Act," and, though right on the Iraq War, he didn't have a great aversion to the Team America: World's Policeman thing.  Also voted for the PATRIOT Act.  He was also pretty much in bed with AIPAC.

I wish we still had him, but the canonization of Wellstone among liberals really went too far.  He was a good senator, pretty reliable, but not the God of Pregressivism he's been made out to be.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 02:31:47 PM EST
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... identify politics two-fer.

And he's only a moderate progressive populist. A radical populist would get completely hammered by "free media", which remember is bought and paid for by large corporations.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 at 05:17:09 PM EST
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Rumors now going around about Romney as McCain's VP...
by asdf on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:03:20 AM EST
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When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 04:25:06 AM EST
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He's not very quick either:



Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:10:12 AM EST
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It's possible.  In fact, Romney might make the most sense from a regional perspective, but it would clearly be a defensive play.  It looks like Obama's doing incredibly well in the Mountain West, and what does the Mountain West have a lot of?  Mormons.  So I could see McCain choosing Romney in an effort to defend Nevada, Montana, Arizona, etc.

Plus, Romney's father was a big gun in Michigan, and even though McCain is now getting his ass kicked there, he might hope for Romney to bust up Obama's lead.

The downside to Romney is in the South, where there are, needless to say, not a whole helluva lot of Mormons, and where Mormons tend to be seen as a bizarre cult.  It might further depress conservative turnout, which McCain can't afford, given that Obama is registering new voters in such enormous numbers there, and given that we're probably going to see an explosion in turnout among blacks and young people, of whom there are many in the South.

McCain's lead in South Carolina -- the third-least-likely Obama pickup in the Deep South (behind Alabama and Louisiana) -- is down to single digits (6 in the latest Ras poll, and Ras has tended to underestimate Obama's final outcomes in the region).  If that's the story in SC, think of what the story might be turning into in Virginia, NC, Georgia, Mississippi, etc.

So he might be playing with fire going with Romney, but he might have no choice if it looks like O is going to clean his clock out in the West.  My sense is that, if he chooses Romney, he'll have decided, "Okay, I'm going to gamble and assume that I carry all those southern states."  Kind of like Florida, which McCain can't afford to defend because of the expense of playing in the Florida market (and, if he can't assume a win in Florida, the election's probably over anyway).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 10:20:26 AM EST
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