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"Anglo" does not actually mean "UK and US."  It's not a place but an ancestry, and one that most Americans do not even claim, if we're to accept your assertion that it is something to do with "English" but not "German."  Of course, these "Anglo" people seem to have come from Germany originally, but equating Anglo and German would destroy your argument.  And I do think most people think "English" when they hear "Anglo."  But 8 years ago English ancestry only accounted for 8 or 9% of the American population.  And it's been, like over 200 years since we were English colonies.  Yet less since we were, uhm, French or Spanish territories...

But if you insist on using linguistically inaccurate and racially charged terminology, that's your prerogative.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:14:16 PM EST
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I think most people will understand "Anglo" pretty well, and I'm happy with the meaning it conveys, however incorrect it may be, in theory, linguistically.

Populism over policy? In that case I think the two go together.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:18:12 PM EST
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"Anglo" is a racial identifier in the US, which means it won't go very far with liberal Americans. The title handicaps you immediately.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 07:36:00 PM EST
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Except that J sees pissing off Americans as a sign of success.  NrN should be a lot of fun...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 10:46:00 AM EST
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Since when did Anglo or English for that matter become a race? I'd say those are not races but ethinicties. It would have been racial if he had called it the white disease or negro disease or whatever, and then I imagine people would have had good reasons to be upset.

But maybe the Dutch disease is racist too according to the PC people?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 04:24:42 AM EST
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We had someone claim that "anglo-saxon" was as offensive as calling the French "frog". Go figure.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 04:29:00 AM EST
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it's a karma-round from the brits calling condoms 'french letters' for years, or 'french disease' for gonorrhea.

kidding aside, focussing on the name is like the finger, not the moon.

remove and respectfully trash the package and enjoy the crunchy truth within!

in PC terms, poemless is right, i don't think the gravity of the situation demands that kind of purity, that's all.

of course if a better name were offered...

till then, we have to work with the best name we have so far, not the name we wish we had (that didn't tweak anyone), but don't have yet.

there's even a case to be made that the offensive quality might act as a barb, ensuring that the message holds on better.

or, you might lose some too, who would rather there were a less offensive name. the great unknown...

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 06:37:08 AM EST
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Well, there is an academic term for what's going on: Financialization but it doesn't quite pack the same punch.
Financialization is a relatively new term used to discuss the emergence of a new form of capitalism in which financial markets dominate over the traditional industrial economy. Greta Krippner of the University of California - Los Angeles has written that "financialization" refers to a "pattern of accumulation in which profit making occurs increasingly through financial channels rather than through trade and commodity production." In the Introduction to the 2006 book Financialization and the World Economy, editor Gerald A. Epstein wrote that some scholars have insisted on a much more narrow use of the term: the ascendancy of "shareholder value" as a mode of corporate governance; or the growing dominance of capital market financial systems over bank-based financial systems.

Financialisation may be defined as: "the increasing dominance of the finance industry in the sum total of economic activity, of financial controllers in the management of corporations, of financial assets among total assets, of marketised securities and particularly equities among financial assets, of the stock market as a market for corporate control in determining corporate strategies, and of fluctuations in the stock market as a determinant of business cycles" (Dore 2002)

More popularly, however, financialization is understood to mean the vastly expanded role of financial motives, financial markets, financial actors and financial institutions in the operation of domestic and international economies. In his 2006 book, American Theocracy: The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century, American writer and commentator Kevin Phillips presented financialization as "a process whereby financial services, broadly construed, take over the dominant economic, cultural, and political role in a national economy." (page 268). Philips consider that the financialization of the U.S. economy follows the same pattern that marked the beginning of the decline of Hapsburg Spain in the 16th century, the Dutch trading empire in the 18th century, and the British empire in the 19th century



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 07:55:40 AM EST
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aka liquify assets and skedaddle...

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:46:02 PM EST
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Well, we do have other names for it. "Rape-and-run capitalism," "neo-feudalism" and "gangster capitalism" come to mind. But they are hardly any less offencive and they don't convey the source of the threat nearly as well.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 at 02:23:18 PM EST
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Second Gilded Age has been suggested. But now the Robber Baron "captains of industry" have been replaced by an anonymous management class of CEO-types in grey suits.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 06:52:58 AM EST
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Huh? I understood it to be a reference to language? An anglicism, for instance, is a (usually pejorative) expression for an idiom or sentence structure adopted and/or translated (usually poorly) from English. An anglophile is someone whose cultural orientation is towards the English-speaking world (who is, if you will, a part of the English language's sphere of soft power; compare: Francophile).

It would seem to stand to reason that an Anglo Disease would be a disease originating in and/or mainly afflicting the English-speaking world and/or the English language's sphere of soft power.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:36:38 PM EST
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I'm using the following definition(s):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo

The term Anglo is used as a prefix to indicate a relation to the Angles, England or the English people, as in the phrases 'Anglo-Saxon', 'Anglo-American', 'Anglo-Celtic', and 'Anglo-Indian'. It is often used alone, somewhat loosely, to refer to a person or people of English ethnicity in the The Americas, Australia and Southern Africa. It is also used, both in English-speaking and non-English-speaking countries, to refer to Anglophone people of other European origins.
Anglo is a Late Latin prefix used to denote "English-" in conjunction with another toponym or demonym. The word is derived from Anglia, the Latin name for England, and still the modern name of its eastern region. Anglia and England both mean "Land of the Angles", a Germanic people originating in the north German peninsula of Angeln.

In the United States, Anglo refers to White Americans who are not of Hispanic or French descent.

I too originally assumed Jerome's uasge was in reference to the English speaking world.  That would at least make more sense.  But a lot of people outside the US and UK are native speakers of English.  And a lot of native speakers of English would be confused to find they are effectively "Anglo."  Like, say, African-Americans.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:44:31 PM EST
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I believe that the word Anglo is (should be) really a shorthand for the Anglosphere.

This is my first comment here, but I've lurked
for a little while :). My understanding of the Anglo Disease concept is
that it affects primarily the countries which share strong cultural and legal
links with the US at this stage.

If the US is considered the epicentre of the disease (for obvious economic reasons),
then the similar language, similar legal systems and strong political links
favour the spread
of the disease to countries such as the UK, Canada, Australia...

By contrast,
the barrier to entry into other countries is higher precisely due to different
legal, language and political realities, which affect the ability of companies to easily
expand without changing their operating methods, which affect the ability of politicians
to easily copy pieces of legislation from other countries, and which allow individuals to easily
make business connections.

I also think the racial interpretation is really irrelevant, but not actually worth addressing
in the terminology. Metaphorically, the Anglo(sphere) Disease (like many real diseases) is
contagious, and is a strong hazard to anyone who
lives within its economic reach, so it makes sense to label it by its cultural source.


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by martingale on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 11:52:50 PM EST
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Welcome to European Tribune, martingale!

I hope you quit lurking for good!

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by Melanchthon on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:34:12 AM EST
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That's my understanding as well: it's a cultural term.

It addresses the circles of power in the US and the UK, regardless of ethnicity, as seen from non-English speaking countries (France, Germany Spain, Italy but also Russia, India, etc).

For USians, it may indeed have other meanings or even sound completely inadequate. But, well, this is not the first time words have different meanings on both sides of the pond.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:01:26 AM EST
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Welcome to (posting at) European Tribune!!
by Nomad on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:23:07 AM EST
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I often hear anglo used as a term for white people in general.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:42:35 PM EST
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I think that is its current standard, slangy meaning in the US, mostly used to differentiate between recent immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries, and the "white" majority.  I only ever hear it used in the context of race relations IRL.  Which is what has lead me down this path.  Because this economic issue, which I'm in agreement with Jerome about, isn't really a matter of race.  And in America, French heritage is considered "White."  So that's when I started looking into what the term "Anglo" is supposed to mean.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:51:22 PM EST
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And I also think that this angle works. Not all poor people are black or otherwise non-Anglo, and not all Anglos are outside poverty, but the rising inequality built into the current system certainly hits the non-Anglos a lot more than the Anglos.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:54:48 PM EST
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Absolutely.  No one's going to argue that fact.  But then, I don't know what your point is.  Because a few lines up you are saying US and UK are Anglo, but French and German are not.  You are making the argument that these countries are distinguished from each other by their economics.  Which is fine, but these countries are no longer defined by race.  Now you are making the argument that within one country, races are distinguished from each other by their economic welfare.  Again, true.  But true of most countries too, I think.  Dark skinned people generally get the short end of the stick regardless the economic system they live in.  So ... what makes this "disease" "Anglo?"  

I'm not just arguing for the sake of argument.  I really am wanting to understand what you're talking about when YOU say "Anglo."  To me it sounds either ethnically distinct, when it isn't actually an ethnic matter, or like some outdated slang to refer to part of the world which you still see as implicitly connected, but whose inhabitants don't necessarily agree with you on that matter.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 01:39:23 PM EST
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From wiki :
An ethnic group is a group of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry.[1] Ethnic identity is also marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness[2] and by common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioral or biological traits.[1][3]

French and German ancestry in the US means to be anglo, but while they may share same common genome pool, their culture is pretty different nowadays. And the focus of the anglo disease (propensity to take debt is at least one key point) is kind of a cultural habit.
And while Afro-Americans often claim to have a different subculture than the American mainstream culture, I have never heard, that German, French, English, or Italian ancestry is taken as something giving enough input to form an own subculture (Irish is debatable).

But as I understand anglo-disease it is anyhow a country disease (because influenced largely by regulatory framework, overvaluation of real estate), not a person disease.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 10:11:51 AM EST
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