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Why haven't all those thinkers made it to econ 101?

It's starting to feel like the university is a nice complement to self-schooling.

If I understand correctly, he argues that market power is necessary to protect the organization that produces complex goods. But that does not reduce the overall level of uncertainty, only transfers it to someone else?

Or, requires that individuals behave according to the logic of that organization, not to their own?

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 11:20:02 AM EST
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My take is Galbraith is noting a standard observation of Complexity Theory:

Any complex system exists in, and only due to, a meta-system that, to a greater or lesser degree, guides, confines, and controls it.

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 at 02:17:03 PM EST
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It's starting to feel like the university is a nice complement to self-schooling.

That is especially true for those of us who end up working in areas other than those for which we trained.  And the percentage of such individuals increases with age.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:51:57 AM EST
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I'm 22, don't you think that's a bit too early ?

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:24:21 AM EST
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The good thing about university is that studying for your degree leaves you time for self-schooling.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:27:30 AM EST
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 And the good thing about being a mature student is you already know more than your lecturers (apart from some very specialised knowledge) I think I learned more in the bar and the library than in lectures.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:46:36 AM EST
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Hopefully.  But my own first job after obtaining an M.A. in History was as the assistant donut baker at the Eagle Bakery in Tucson.  There were extenuating circumstances such as uncertainty about the draft, a small local market and lack of money to finance a move to a larger market. The up side was that I learned about craft breads, as all bakers got to take home their choice of a loaf of bread each night.  Some nights, if the twist khalas were out of the oven long enough and early enough we would take one, buy a quarter pound of butter and take it to the Green Dolphin, where it quickly would be pulled apart, slathered with butter and consumed, washed down with pitchers of 3.2 beer.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:10:53 AM EST
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Because if they were included students might get the idea that the exercise of economic power is an important subject of study for economics. Instead you get a "nice" collection of toy models where economic power is defined away axiomatically.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:16:54 AM EST
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The politics of equity vs efficiency are much easier to handle for any professor than the politics of power.

By «defined away axiomatically», are you referring to the models that assume no market power and similar cost structures?

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:23:31 AM EST
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I should quote Galbraith more extensively, he's very entertining on this particular point. I dont think much has changed since the 60's - if anything there's been a backlash.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:30:31 AM EST
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... not for the position of the majority of the profession, but rather for their much weaker ability to deny legitimacy to dissent.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 at 01:10:47 PM EST
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Especially for economists, for whom venturing into such waters can be career suicide.  Anthropology departments will offer courses such as "The Anthropology of Wealth and Power." There are a number of quite readable texts targeted at such an audience.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:16:08 AM EST
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... for teaching about the majority of the economy that does not lie within the narrow confines of the grammar and syntax of the traditional marginalist language of economics.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 at 01:12:37 PM EST
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... were herded out of Econ 101 ... indeed, herded out of almost all the upper division undergraduate courses as well.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 at 01:07:35 PM EST
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That is sometimes referred to as "market discipline." J.A. Hobson published a very cogent critique almost exactly a century ago: Imperialism, a Study.  Full text is available on line, if the site is not radioactive for your employer.  My preferred set of excerpts is found in D.C. Heath's Problems in European Civilization series: The "New Imperialism" H. M. Wright, ed. 1961. He clearly describes how academia is brought to heel.  It has only gotten worse since then.

It is also discussed in A Survey of Global Political Economy 2007 by Kees van der Pijl, also available online in full text. It might be a less radio-active site, and has the advantage of being more recent.

I found Hobson to be very clear.  In the summer of 1965 I was the graduate reader for a senior level course in 20th Century Britain and The "New Imperialism" was one of the assigned texts.  The professor asked who in the class understood and could explain Hobson's thesis.  Mine was the only hand to go up.  I always waited to see if someone else could answer before raising my own hand, to be fair.  But it was summer school, a lot of the class was just there to get what they hoped would be three easy credits and were business, or other liberal arts majors, not history majors.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 at 02:56:04 PM EST
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