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hmm, i wonder if other oilseeds have similar emission problems...sunflower, hemp?

i also wonder if pollution in brazilian cities has dropped significantly since the increased use of sugar ethanol. (i kinda doubt it, what with other air pollution sources like heavy industry, diesel transport etc.)

i think sugar cane has a pretty low need for fertiliser, after seeing it grow wild in hawaii, but i'd like more info on that. certainly you're right about monoculture and erosion.

the sea would be stained red where the sugar cane industry was, up on the hamakua coast, and the burning of the fields was pretty toxic too.

if the use of toxic chemicals could be curtailed completely, perhaps sugar cane could be a transition fuel for tropical zones, provided there was mulching to minimise erosion,  especially if it could be used in conjunction with land reclamation, or some similar kind of environmental repair, while we head for an all-electric society 50 years down the road...

i don't know if that's the case when grown for fuel.

great diary.

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:58:28 PM EST
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Take a look at the study from Utrecht University that I linked redstar to above. There's a bit about the potential for organic culture of sugarcane. But I think you're right about the burning, too, I'd forgotten that aspect of sugarcane culture. Quemada?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:43:33 PM EST
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well, i don't know if the cane is burned if grown for fuel. do they use the whole plant for ethanol?

it certainly was for sugar.

it was a happy day in hawaii when they phased it out, as the trucks hauling the cane to the mills were huge and always leaking bits of plants, whole stems sometimes.

i recall they used the bagasse (leftovers) to burn to fire the mill, but they still were losing money hand over fist.

the overall effects, from environmental to dietetic, were a right mess...

if they do extract the juice to make ethanol, then the bagasse would have serious mulching potential.

i think they burned the cane in order to strip the stems (sugar cane is a grass), so as to make it possible to haul more. the leaves have no juice, so were useless to the sugar producers.

obviously a very high-energy plant, doubtless to figure ever more in our future...though cane cutters did not have a good life, historically, in hawaii.

they worked them to death, and imported portugese overseers to crack the whips over the filipinos, chinese, and other asians. which leads me to wonder what kind of working conditions the cane cutters are experiencing in brazil, in order to produce $50 a barrel fuel...

however, the best replacement crop they've found, afaik, for the best farmland on the largely lava rock and cinders island of hawaii, was eucalyptus, which was burned for biomass, chosen for speed of growth.

which is problematic, because eucalyptus poisons the ground below it for other plants.

sigh.

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 04:48:09 PM EST
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