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«if the attack fails, the Middle East will almost certainly face a nuclear war -- either through a subsequent pre-emptive Israeli nuclear strike or a nuclear exchange shortly after Iran gets the bomb.»

God, my post-binge euphoria wore out when I read this oped. I thank you not.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:17:40 AM EST
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Will any of this be usable as evidence to try Cheney for "Crimes against peace"?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:21:56 AM EST
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I think «crime against peace» is a name for an NGO, not a reason to jail politicians.

All the standing procedures against Cheney fail to benefit from governmental cooperation. He was supposed to be arrested in France at some point last year, iirc, but justice was too slow to act.

Or am I commiserating? Maybe the warrant was illegal.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:28:02 AM EST
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Wasn't that Rumsfeld? and not Cheney?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:41:19 AM EST
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I should distinguish between the two. Thanks for the precision though, it is necessary to determine the proper level of cynicism required to go through the day.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:45:50 AM EST
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Was one of the crimes defined by the Nuremberg Tribunal....

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 05:17:23 PM EST
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I wouldn't have joked about it had I known.

Nothing is mere... except historical symbols, I guess. So we can unload the burden, safely, and pass it on to children as education, not things serious people can keep in mind when waging war.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 06:46:37 PM EST
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I'm not convinced that laws will eapply to cheney ever again. And he'll probably be surrounded by hordes of Blackwater's finest from here on in anyway.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:28:48 AM EST
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True justice means: 'Cheney in Guantanamo!'

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 01:46:13 PM EST
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What is Iran supposed to bomb Israel with? A plane full of centrifuges?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:41:09 AM EST
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Nah.  They'll build the nuke and have 500 of them throw it towards Tel Aviv.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:45:05 AM EST
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From the Opposite Editorial:

The more likely result is that the international community will continue to do nothing effective and that Iran will speed up its efforts to produce the bomb that can destroy Israel. The Iranians will also likely retaliate by attacking Israel's cities with ballistic missiles (possibly topped with chemical or biological warheads); by prodding its local clients, Hezbollah and Hamas, to unleash their own armories against Israel; and by activating international Muslim terrorist networks against Israeli and Jewish -- and possibly American -- targets worldwide (though the Iranians may at the last moment be wary of provoking American military involvement).

See, Iran's arsenal includes everything required to frighten you. If that means adding planes full of centrifuges, you need only ask.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 11:52:53 AM EST
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these articles really are beyond mere pant-wetting paranoia, there's a level of morbid obsession with grotesque death fantasies that is genuinely unhealthy.

the person that wrote that needs help.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 12:27:24 PM EST
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The planes will have snakes on them too.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 01:49:29 PM EST
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[The Herpetological Association's Crystal Ball of Doom™ Technology]
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 02:00:30 PM EST
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