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Understood, you are absolutely correct. It will probably take the death of another generation of political hacks before we can make peace with that past.

But I also understand that most if not all of these anti-terror measures have been in place for some time. Sarkozy is not responsible for all of them, and when you are talking about groups like the GIA, which we were dealing with not too long ago and which were killing french citizens whenever they could, it's not like dealing with psg supporters, whose groups are incidentally, if I remember my reading correctly, also infiltrated.

In other words, the massacres in the 1990's weren't being perpetrated, as in 1961, by French authorities...

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:57:44 AM EST
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I agree that terrorism calls for efficient police action. Whether the "only way" to be efficient is stretching the limits on inhuman treatment/torture (that was what they said in Algeria...), and whether it's necessary to create breaches in the rule of law or in dispositions of the law that guarantee a minimum of rights, is the question. My feeling is that there's too ready a tendency to want to do that without really making a case for it.

The usual fallacy in these cases (as in the US or UK)is to shift the moral question to the individual, as in "If you knew this guy could tell you who was going to blow up a hundred people, what would you do to make him talk?" - which neatly evades the responsibility of public authorities and the centuries-long evolution of laws and conventions restraining the power of the state. And anyway, how often is really efficient police work in this situation?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:12:43 AM EST
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Whether the "only way" to be efficient is stretching the limits on inhuman treatment/torture (that was what they said in Algeria...)

We saw how well that turned out in Algeria...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:32:47 PM EST
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