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But the language problem is not academic only: work and daily life require common language or languages, and this is very important for the European cohesion among people. And for people feeling involved.

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by PerCLupi on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 06:37:55 AM EST
The UK is surely one of the worst places for this?  There is no culture of learning languages, it's expected that everyone who comes here should speak good English and wherever we may want to go, they should speak good English there too.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 06:43:17 AM EST
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All large European nations have a problem with this - foreign language fluency is relatively low in all five of the larger EU15 countries. An important factor in this is that it is cost-effective to dub films and TV programs rather than subtitle them. The threshold seems to be somewhere around 10 million speakers.

The UK in fact gets out of its way to provide translated material and even translators and interpreters for immigrants in many languages, something Spain doesn't do. So its "not expected that everyone who comes here should speak good English". Definitely not to the extent French or German are "expected" in France or Germany, I don't think.

The fact that English speakers have come to expect foreigners to speak English wherever they go is a different story - may have to do with the British Empire, may have to do with English being lingua franca.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 06:51:00 AM EST
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I meant in a general public sense.  Authorities are decent enough at making provision for interpreters etc but in terms of tourists, the feeling is that many Brits would expect them to learn enough English to get by on without us needing to learn any of their languages.  I worked in a popular tourist hotel near Stratford on Avon and none of the staff spoke another language (unless they were from another country and being horribly exploited by the hotel.)  

If there were communication difficulties, rather than acknowledging it as a two way thing, the blame was put entirely on the tourists which I always thought was a little unfair.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 09:42:46 AM EST
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It's also a side effect of having lingua franca status.

To avoid resentment when travelling in Europe, I'd have to learn upwards of five languages.

There's a case for French and German, perhaps for Spanish, but if you try to include all possible languages in the school timetable they could eat it alive.

A more interesting plan might be to start a Euro-literacy project for the UK, with subsidised holidays and visits, evening classes, and family exchanges.

This assumes that the government would be pro-EU, which clearly it isn't. But I think for many adults school - especially not school in the UK - is not the best way to teach anyone about being an EU citizen.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:00:01 AM EST
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To avoid resentment when travelling in Europe, I'd have to learn upwards of five languages.

No, the resentment doesn't come from not speaking the host language but from expecting the hosts to speak yours.

Except that, apparently, Britons do resent tourists who don't speak English, from what In Wales says.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:05:15 AM EST
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I know. I remember that someone has spoken of the "island spirit" and of the feeling that English is the language widespread. But the point is the cohesion of the largest number of European people. At least, we all could know English and our own mother tongue, most other languages, if not in UK, yes in other Countries. Cohesion and sense of belonging. Merely accepting that all future Europeans know, for example, English, French and German, and we forget our own language in this regard, it would be a big step towards the awareness of supranational community.
:-D

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by PerCLupi on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 07:25:53 AM EST
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