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My beef with the health card is that the system does not work very well. I would agree with contributors you argue that greater portability of social or health security is a good thing.

I am not against ID documents per se. I am suspicious of the present climate surrounding and generating calls for new forms of ID document.

The ID discussion is sadly not about forgery proof documentation but is being used to redefine the realtionship between the state and individual in a negative way. That is my objection

by Bruno Waterfield (brunowaterfield(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 05:25:37 AM EST
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Maybe I'm just naive, but I feel more comfortable about the State having my personal data than about private companies (for instance, credit reporting agencies). At least the state is subject to democratic control.

Of course, the democratic control needs to be exercised and the current Labour government doesn't command enough trust for me to actually want them to have my data - and this is both on authoritarian instinct and on technical incompetence.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 05:33:46 AM EST
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as  one of those UK people who has a problem with the ID cards, I don't have a problem with providing one to get services etc.  my problem is that random uniformed functionaries will be able to stop me and demand my id.  

I don't feel uncomfortable about the state having my data, in fact i feel it would be more worrying to think that the state didn't have my data. (although strangely comforting that they probably cant find it when they need it) A trely technicallly competent government would be a scary thing to behold.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 05:45:18 AM EST
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I should dig up the controversy in Spain when a law was passed a few years back allowing the police to stop anyone and demand their ID. Even though people are used to carrying their ID, the idea to have to identify yourself to the police or face detention until they're able to identify you wasn't popular at all.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 05:49:07 AM EST
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Corporations can not lock you up and while they might exercise all sorts of unhealthy monopolies, it is the state, that legitimately or not, that has a monopoly on coercive violence.

The best control is not give the state data, such as fingerprints, as a matter of course. To limit the state's capacity to exercise its monopoly.

by Bruno Waterfield (brunowaterfield(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 05:47:00 AM EST
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