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German Politicians Warn Obama: 'No Point in Issuing Demands That Can't Be Fulfilled' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Germany's Social Democrats are feting Barack Obama's visit to Berlin this week, but behind the scenes they are distancing themselves from the Democratic Party's candidate. Leading SPD members are warning Obama against demanding more German troops for Afghanistan.

 Barack Obama (right) meets with Afghan President Hamid Karzai: Will the Democratic presidential candidate ask Germany to send more troops to Afghanistan this week? In the run-up to Barack Obama's visit to Berlin, leading foreign and security policy experts for Germany's center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) are warning the United States presidential candidate against making any far-reaching demands on the Germans.

"Obama should only ask of us what we are able to deliver," Niels Annen -- a member of Germany's federal parliament, with the left wing of the SPD -- told SPIEGEL ONLINE Monday. "We won't increase our number of troops."

Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet, however, has approved a plan to increase the number of troops from Germany's armed forces in Afghanistan by 1,000 to 4,500 soldiers. All troop deployments of the Bundeswehr require a mandate from the German parliament, which is expected to consider the issue in the autumn. And SPD party chief Kurt Beck made clear over the weekend that 4,500 was the ceiling of what could be expected from Germany. The Social Democrats -- who are the junior partner in the grand coalition government with Merkel and her conservative Christian Democrats -- are hoping Obama will take heed of German sensitivities when he visits Thursday.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 03:15:43 PM EST
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The expectations are so high that the return to reality is going to be painful for many. The coming crisis between "arrogant" and "ungrateful" Europe and the Obama administration will not be long in the making, and will trigger new waves of Europe-bashing I suspect.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 05:34:41 PM EST
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Hey, European leaders got ahead in the polls by bashing the US - why shouldn't US leaders be allowed to get ahead in the polls by bashing Europe?  

</snark>

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 05:52:55 PM EST
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thus my prediction.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 06:03:43 PM EST
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You may well be right that Obama or others will bash Europe (Germany for not sending more fodder to Afshanistan?).  But i don't remember any European leaders bashing the US.  I do remember some that bashed the criminal actions of an overly-medicated ex-drunk who happens to be chief marrionette, and at worst looked askance at official US anti-science.  But bashing?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 07:28:01 AM EST
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She's talking about Schroeder's 2002 reelection bid, I think.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 08:43:47 AM EST
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Yes.  And Zapatero.  And all of the others who've come to power in part by opposing US policy or those who've supported US policy.  That's not bashing to you and me, but "bashing" is a moronic and subjective term (that is, like "propaganda," it's only "bashing" when those who oppose you do it...) and a lot of Americans would consider it to be so.  It's the nature of national identity to define yourself against another - and even Europeans do it.  FWIW, I honestly do not see Obama going the freedom fries route.  He's a highly educated, liberal fellow.  That's just not his scene, any more than a heated discussion about Derrida over a bottle of wine with Charlie Parker blaring in the background is G. W. Bush's scene.  Like, you just can't see it happening in this universe.  Being a bit of a Europhile is part and parcel for liberal elite in America.  Not to mention the rather unique historical relationship intellectual African Americans have had with Europe...  

Also, the American public is no longer looking for a scapegoat in Europe.  We know we've completely botched our foreign policy and we're probably going to have to do some serious fence mending in your part of the world.  While you might perceive some Europe-bashing from Obama, I think you'll also perceive some flattery as well.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 11:38:39 AM EST
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That's not bashing to you and me, but "bashing" is a moronic and subjective term (that is, like "propaganda," it's only "bashing" when those who oppose you do it...) and a lot of Americans would consider it to be so.
Precisely. How did Zapatero engage in "US bashing"? All he did was promise he would pull Spanish troops out of Iraq unless the mission was handed over to UN command by June 2004 (reasonable but impossibe condition). And, on that note, I don't think Schroeder did much 'bashing' either.

But, yeah, this is presented as "america-bashing" in the US press because no reasonable person could possibly oppose US policy.

It's the nature of national identity to define yourself against another - and even Europeans do it.
Um, I'm not sure I agree with that, but a 'soft' national identity that is not confrontational doesn't take you very far.

However, Spain managed to win the Euro2008 without being able to agree to a lyrics for its anthem. Now that's a feat of 'soft' national identity.

While you might perceive some Europe-bashing from Obama, I think you'll also perceive some flattery as well.
I think he damns with faint praise, and I am not sure what part of his pronouncements are for real and which part are posturing or pandering to the audience du jour.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 06:43:23 AM EST
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I am not sure what part of his pronouncements are for real and which part are posturing or pandering to the audience du jour.

I don't even think he knows the answer to that...


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:18:54 AM EST
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