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a catastrophic mistake of communication that demonstrates how utterly unsuited to democratic discourse our elites have become.

So how do they get reelected? And why do they manage to oh-so-conveniently make it sound like the "no" votes are a rejection of European bureaucracy and regulation and not of the arrogant neolib policies that they (the elites, not the European bureaucracy) run?

You're just playing in their hands.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:17:21 AM EST
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Point me to one national election where EU issues played a role in the campaign or swung voters.

They get elected on domestic issues, and the EU is still "foreign affairs".

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 08:52:13 AM EST
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What has this got to do with anything?

These people are obviously not incompetent at communicating with the public when it suits them; so the explanation that they are incompetent about Europe does not quite work, from my point of view. Which means it's something else.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:16:45 AM EST
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So if it's not incompetence, is it malice?

Because communicating effectively about Europe, they are not.

Even Wallström, whose job it is.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:24:14 AM EST
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There is no European political arena, at least that most people perceive. We've said this often enough before. In this context, European communication (whether EU institutional or member-state political) has no grip on people's minds. It's at best well-meaning babble that is easily countered within the culture-media-space of each national identity.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:45:33 AM EST
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And traction will only be achieved when the EU apparatus is able to communicate complex concepts in language and images that every voter can understand and be motivated by.

The most important part of all marketing communications is to convey the benefits of the product/service as they would apply to an individual potential 'buyer'.

Most media stories about the EU are negatives, not benefits. It is not really the media to blame - their dogged pursuit of bad news was and is to be expected. But there are lots of benefits accruing from European unification. The failure of the Communication commissioner to tell the story of these benefits to a general audience is scandalous. It is largely caused by a lack of imagination and an amateur understanding of what communication is.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:17:32 AM EST
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The treaty at hand is mostly about greasing the wheels of the existing institutions - it benefits mostly the institutions themselves, starting with the Council.

When they try to come up with "tangible" "benefits" for citizens they usually turn out rather daft.

And this is probably by design, too. With the emphasis on subsidiarity and proportionality (everything should be done at the closest level to the citizen that is both practical and effective) most of what impacts the average citizen is done at the local or national level.

And I am not sure that's a bad thing, either: I'm a Spanish Federalist, not a French Centralist.

Can I ask again for a Swiss case-study diary? (Confederacy, local sovereignty, direct democracy)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:22:09 AM EST
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And that is the communication challenge.

Local benefits are disconnected from the supranational institutions and systems, but local negatives are blamed by national institutions on the supranational, because it is easy, gets them off the hook, and 'who is going to check anyway?'

There are massive benefits realised by the redistribution of EU funding to underdeveloped regions or areas undergoing industrial transition. There are huge benefits in EU wide standardization and consumer protection. There are also large mistakes made (biofuels, paper reuse etc etc) but  no worse than the mistakes that national government regularly make.

The greatest benefit of the EU IMO is the sharing of diversity, of finding out there are many solutions. The existence of a better way of doing things in one country, can be a benefit to all countries.

That is what ET does on a minor scale - the sharing of diversity in solutions and the origination of imaginative solutions. If only ET could be scaled up!

But that would not solve the communication problem. We also share in  a style of language and presentation that does not appeal widely. ET is not consumer-ready, and perhaps should never be. But, as we have often discussed, the concepts and presentations developed here do need to reach audiences outside ET. And there are many audiences, each requiring a different type of communication style and content.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:06:41 AM EST
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We also share in  a style of language and presentation that does not appeal widely. ET is not consumer-ready, and perhaps should never be.

It would indeed be strange and no doubt frustrating if we were to speak to each other here in soundbites and ad slogans. Do you think a discussion forum of any interest is also going to have wide appeal?

This is not in defence of an exclusive, elitist yadda yadda watering-hole for intellectuals. Just that it's not the job of a community discussion blog to handle direct mainstream communication. That's a whole other job on its own.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:37:23 AM EST
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But I also see no reason not to discuss what you call 'soundbites and ad slogans' - as we do. By analyzing them we can understand why needed change DOES NOT happen in a one-person-one-vote democratic society.

There's the message, the messenger and the passenger. All  3 need to be discussed and correlated imo. But as I said, there are no clear reasons why ET has to be consumer-ready.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 12:19:46 PM EST
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Incidentally, reducing an explanation of marketing communications to soundbites and slogans is a bit like saying the Tour de France is about tight pants and yellow jerseys ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:27:55 AM EST
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If that's the only problem, it's solvable by putting in imaginative professionals.

Who might (easily) do better than the lot we've got, but would still be up against the compartmentalisation of national/language media, and the sense that real political life that matters is in one's home country (just look at the eagerness <snark> of the pols to be MEPs compared to something in public view in their own country).

I don't see marketing/communication as alone capable of turning this situation round. We need institutional change to create a pan-European political space that then can be effectively marketed as the place where things are happening.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:10:27 AM EST
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We need institutional change to create a pan-European political space.

Agreed. But we, voters, can say something to eligibles in each election. One school of, say, "Pan-European Citizens" could intervene in pre-electoral moments to try that politicians may think that Europe can give them votes. And also remind voters that Europe exists and is our overall framework.

The lack of politicians on Europe is based on their own interests as politicians.

I think (already in the Spanish referendum, and now in the Irish one) that the left-wind (?), which supported the NO, however, it did not inform citizens.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 03:58:43 PM EST
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or piebags!

they're pretty clueless with the web, though watching euronews, sometimes i see a form of reaching out, listing phone numbers to call to know one's rights on this or that, or for general info.

i know, i know, so last century...

get sven doing a presentation in webready multimedia, sponsor concerts with info desks, announce and inform us of why it's so great to be an EU member. young people need more than 'it's to stop another continental war', as reason not to ignore the EU. young people are also predisposed to like the EU as it offers many advantages in freedom of travel and study their parents did not enjoy, so it's a good time to explain things to them, i think.

if leaders think no-one cares, then they will retreat to aloofness and poor communication, we can (must, should try to affect that dynamic by whining letting them know what we need, preferably more proactively than waiting for an important -and massively misunderstood - treaty vote.

there are many here showing the way forward on this, ET is a drop in a media vacuum, but this has to keep growing....the tech is here for real 'interlogue'TM now, there should be no excuses, either for passivity, or mere top-down pronouncements...

meanwhile piebag's blog pretty well exemplifies what's wrong with leaders' lack of understanding or intelligent use of the new interactive political medium, that should offer so much better and more immediate feedback.

 token at best, condescending, disconnected and unhearing at worst.

hi andreas!

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:23:51 AM EST
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So if it's not incompetence, is it malice?

my concern too...

more transparency, more humility, (ask us over and over what we need, you're s'posed to be working for us), and solid, truthful, understandable (for-dummies) rebuttals of NO talking points.

and why not adopt the american model constitution? tweak it a bit, but don't make a retro move with an important document that's ponderous, bloated and rodded with legalese, please. tip our hat to it, it's a political work of art, why can't we update it and take it from there, its values translate globally, that's what makes it such a gem.

get it while it's hot, or before it disappears down a memory hole!

google cache it!

KISS

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 10:39:30 AM EST
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