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Remarks of Senator Barack Obama (as prepared for delivery)
"A World that Stands as One"
July 24th, 2008
Berlin, Germany

Thank you to the citizens of Berlin and to the people of Germany. Let me thank Chancellor Merkel and Foreign Minister Steinmeier for welcoming me earlier today. Thank you Mayor Wowereit, the Berlin Senate, the police, and most of all thank you for this welcome.

I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen - a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.

I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya. His father - my grandfather - was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

At the height of the Cold War, my father decided, like so many others in the forgotten corners of the world, that his yearning - his dream - required the freedom and opportunity promised by the West. And so he wrote letter after letter to universities all across America until somebody, somewhere answered his prayer for a better life.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:36:25 PM EST
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'We saved your ass - twice!'

'Terrorists nukular terrorists Al Qaeda terrorists mushroom cloud over Paris - boo!'

'Ich bin eine speechmaker'

Plus some stuff about global warming and things that might actually matter.

Seems like a misfire to me. It's too self-consciously faux-Kennedy, and I don't think he quite has the gravitas to make it stick.

What does Germany think?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:27:35 PM EST
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More to the point: what does the US think the Germans (and the rest of the world) think of it?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:47:16 PM EST
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Well, if you read the diaries on dKos, Germany and the world has completely forgotten the last 8 Bush years. Everything is peaches and creme again.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:50:11 PM EST
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From Morgenpost:

His Republican opponent John McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham followed Obama's words in "Schmidt's Fudge Haus" in Columbus (Ohio).
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:56:08 PM EST
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Oh god that's so poor, it makes them look like they've desperately gone out looking for something, anything German to counteract todays Obamafest and done an absolutely half-assed job of it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:03:16 PM EST
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Counter-protester in Berlin:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:31:36 PM EST
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Maybe in reality he was paid by the Obama campaign?... Or is he an old communist the Left Party sent on a double-cross mission?...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
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It looks like that's exactly what they did do. For real.

Has McCain HQ been infiltrated by Obama moles? Is McCain just so plain stupid and deaf that he didn't realise this would be top-rank comedy?

Is The Onion running Campaign McCain?

So many questions. So much chortling and fun yet to happen before we have answers.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:39:09 PM EST
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The Obama campaign should put it out as a poster with the words "Would you want someone this inept in charge of Neuclear weapons" Or "Giving you someone who can make Bush look like a genius"

its as if its a bad Hollywood comedy and someones about to come in and say "from this point things can only get better". and from here on the disadvantaged loser will go on to win.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:47:43 PM EST
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That would be the ultimate black comedy punchline.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:49:46 PM EST
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I'm going to regret this one.  I'm inserting it here, late in the game, with the hope that it goes unnoticed.  Just want it on record.  Here we go.

McCain et al WANT TO LOSE!  (Oh shit, NOW WHAT?!)

That's right.  The fix is in.  The neofascists have done enough damage to the US/world, they have accumulated enough resources, everything is in place for a DEPRESSION  that will make the '20s/'30s look like the good old days.  The Dems will get blamed for gas/food shartages in the US, Americans will be at each others' throats just to survive, and the neofascists will remind us of those good old Bush days (like you hear bullshit about the good old days of Clinton ... NONSENSE!  I was there!) and we get a world fascist authoritarian state.

That's what's comin' kids.  I said it first, here at ET.  I hope I'm wrong; saying "I told you so" in three years (probably not possible; the internet will be co-opted for the cause; communications will be MUCH more restricted) won't feel good (with MY mouth, I'll already be hauled away).

Hopefully metavision will post a 4 and that's it.  

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:26:26 AM EST
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Done... with trembling pulse and tachycardia...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:43:42 AM EST
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Bless you (and I'm not religious.)

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:05:54 AM EST
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Don't think you're going to go unnoticed....

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:03:21 AM EST
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Oh shit.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:06:48 AM EST
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I'm reasonably convinced that the same was attempted in the UK immediately after Thatcher with John Major. unfortunately for them the plan didn't work, and their loser managed somehow to actually win. so got left holding the baby when the results of their mismanagement came home to roost.

Having Obama a week into his presidency do a surprise TV presentation where he said that the Reps have robbed everyone blind and concealed the fact. the economies screwed, and due to their torturing foreign nationals theres a shortage goodwill left to help the USA out of its current financial predicament. then roll out a New New Deal to deal with the problem. Place the blame early and with a big boot before the Media gets to do it to him might just be the best plan.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:24:58 AM EST
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And what do WE do to get this rosy scenario to unfold?  Do we sit by and pray that it happens?  I already told metavision I'm not a God-freak.  Not into that praying crap.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:30:50 AM EST
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Voodoo or Sacrifice I think.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:36:56 AM EST
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I'm the engineer/scientist type.  Get back to me when you get the how-to manual together.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:39:20 AM EST
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See 2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be President (freerepublic.com alert!)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 09:54:22 AM EST
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why didn't i read the Alert before i clicked?!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:27:40 PM EST
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OK, read most of it.  Started off strong and soon became the typical Republican bullshit line.  And I read it, why?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 06:36:49 PM EST
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a comment in the Guardian:

Obama urges global fight against terror - Europe, World - The Independent

Uh, uh, uhbama is no David Hasselhoff.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:55:59 PM EST
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Here is an interesting comment from a German who was at the speech in Berlin - found in the Independent comment section.

Obama urges global fight against terror - Europe, World - The Independent

I just came back from hearing Obama speak near the Victory column here in Berlin. The german crowd was polite, but not enthusiastic. Obama indirectly asked for more german involvment in Afganistan which met with silence. Also his going on about the airlift during the cold-war was a bit much seeing as the cold-war was as much a american made problem as it was a soviet one. This going on about the wall was also a bit much as he was not critical about the newest wall of exclusion namely the walls that the isreallis are builiding about which he said nothing. He mentioned getting rid of all atomic weapons - this after the US government is supporting a deal leading to increased Indian access to nuclear fuel could accelerate the atomic arms race with Pakistan. What the people in Berlin came to hear and expect was an apology from a high US official for the last years of the stupid and criminal Bush gang. What it got instead was a milk-toast speach saying nothing.

Complain about this comment

Posted by Wim from Berlin | 24.07.08, 20:57 GMT

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:01:52 PM EST
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Unfortunately, media as usual seems to ignore the real public reaction and spins it the Atlanticist way. And the cheerleaders are: former Bavarian PM Stoiber, and the foreign policy experts of noth big parties.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:10:27 PM EST
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Lol.  Well, I'm not sure if reality is reflected more by the comments section of the Independent or by the photos I'm looking at.  Though another comment there was hilarious: "Uh, uh, uhbama is no David Hasselhoff. "

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:13:46 PM EST
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You can't see from photos (1) during what section of the speech they were made, (2) if the pictured are Americans or Germans. And we have two reports from the ground already.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:17:54 PM EST
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That's a lot closer to the reaction I would have expected.

This, on the other hand, is just plain insane.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:12:40 PM EST
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You love us!  You really love us!  Lol.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:15:23 PM EST
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Obama definitely got the photo-op he wanted.

I wonder if McCain's minions will use another photo-op of his to mobilise the evangelical base: Obama's meeting with Berlin's openly gay major.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:22:07 PM EST
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Was it just me checking to see if his watch was still there in the later pictures?
by Sassafras on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:42:47 AM EST
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? The watch of whom? Have I missed some story again?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:36:47 PM EST
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Remember when George Bush had his watch stolen?

The picture of Obama's hand in the crowd reminded me of that.

But I think it is just me  ;)

by Sassafras on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:10:40 PM EST
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Heh, LOL! I missed that video with the wath (though I do remember that Bush visit to Albania).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 03:55:15 AM EST
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Oh THANK YOU GUYS for not being crazy.

The nationalism over there is scaring me.  Am I the only one who has a problem with adulation of a perceived "strong leader"?  I mean, are these people BLIND?  Don't they see what they're admiring?

Waving flags... chanting... crowds... ohhh, hypnotic, yes, Barack, we BELIEVE!

It's scary as hell.

Thank you guys, again, for seeing it for what it is instead of being mindless morons.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:51:41 AM EST
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I am shocked and a bit horrified by the dKos thread tbg posted above.  Insane seems an apt description; not least the comments about beginning to wear flag pins again.  I suppose it's one thing to wear a pin, but another to speak in tones simply delirious.

Such frenzy seems telling about the state of the amurkan subconscious.  and these are the "good guys."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:03:12 AM EST
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Contributors here tend to be better informed and experienced in politics and economics than the run-of-the-mill Kos commenter.

That sound egotistical, and it is, but it also happens to be true.

Obama is a typical demagogue.  He has decent manipulative skills, organizational ability, party connections, and sufficient financial backing to win the presidency.  Listening to what he says, rather than some Pink Lollipop version, it becomes clear he isn't any big change from George:

  •  All Murica, all the time, and if you don't like it we'll kill you.

  •  Let's create a police state

  •  Rah, Rah predatory economic policies

Obviously there are differences as well but those, such as National Health Care, tend to come from a rejection of Conservative ideological positions in order to pacify the populace with Bread, Circuses, and Flu Shots.  ;-)
by ATinNM on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 12:05:26 PM EST
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At last SPIEGEL put up a more critical analysis of the speech and the reaction.

Obamas Berliner Rede: Völker der Welt, schaut auf mich Obama's Berlin speech: peoples of the world, looks at me
Von Gregor Peter SchmitzBy Gregor Peter Schmitz
Berlin erlebte den Charismatiker Barack Obama in seiner ganzen Wandlungsfähigkeit: zurückhaltend, integrierend, kämpferisch, fordernd. Doch am Ende galt die Botschaft von der Siegessäule allein seiner Heimat. Berlin experienced the charismatician Barack Obama in all his adaptability: cautious, inclusive, pugnacious, demanding. But in the end, the message from the Victory Column was deemed for his home[land] alone.

It analyses the appearance of "four Obamas" - the restrained Obama, the Transatlantic Bridge-building Obama, the crafty campaigner Obama, and the save-the-world rhetoric Obama.

The article does mention the differential applause: strongest when saying things that "sentences that are actually totally self-evident", when Obama says Americans reject torture, when global warming is mentioned.

At the end, we get an explanation for the critical tone and the intro sentence I quoted in bilingual column above: all of the 40 yournalists invited after the speech were Americans.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:56:15 PM EST
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I wrote to them and thanked them for that piece.

Very snarky, perceptive, and dead-on right.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:52:19 AM EST
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