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U.S. needs more knowledge to deal with Iran - International Herald Tribune

WASHINGTON: 'Iran is not in a revolutionary or even prerevolutionary stage." That was the assessment of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in August 1978, at a time when Iran's ruler was America's closest ally in the Middle East. The Defense Intelligence Agency, a month later, predicted that the shah of Iran "is expected to remain actively involved in power over the next 10 years."

Famous last words. The shah fled into exile four months later, forced out by increasingly violent demonstrations against his autocratic rule. An estimated six million people massed in Tehran to greet the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the elderly cleric who had rallied opposition against the shah, on his triumphant return from exile in February 1979.

Later that year, Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, beginning a 444-day crisis in which 52 Americans were held hostage. Washington broke off diplomatic relations in 1980, and they have yet to be restored.

If U.S. intelligence on Iran was bad in the 1970s, when the United States had a sizable embassy and officials could move freely around the country, how is it now, after 28 years without official contacts and no American presence on the ground? Just as bad? Very bad? Barely there?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 03:31:53 PM EST
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Well, they could try getting advisors who aren't blinded by ideological idiocy. But then again, given how the CIA has been wrong on just about everything since it was founded, you come to the conclusion that the CIA exists to create facts that fit policies, not to challenge them with inconvenient truths about revolting peasants.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 05:35:12 PM EST
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Let's not forget that re-installing the Shah for the Brits was the first big-time CIA action. Not doubt one must have had to have been still well inebriated and indoctrinated into the gestalt of such an event for many years after.

One even remembers some announcement about its anniversary:
The 50th Anniversary of the CIA's First Coup d'Etat Celebration


Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:36:29 AM EST
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One even remembers some announcement about its anniversary:
The 50th Anniversary of the CIA's First Coup d'Etat Celebration

That is taken directly from the pages of the Onion isn't it?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:40:40 AM EST
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I must admit that every pixel is mine.

Thanks for the compliment.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 10:59:46 AM EST
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Excelently done.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:10:36 AM EST
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Thanks again.

Although I said that every pixel is mine, the quotes are from actual CIA documents of the time, and perhaps I found a real signature from Mr. Tenant and CIA logo and things like that.

Fun times when there is time to do things like that.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:27:02 PM EST
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have you seen this site ?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:41:51 PM EST
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I hadn't seen that. One has to admire consistent clever work.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:35:45 PM EST
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the dads army terror alert was particularly good.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 06:56:08 PM EST
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I must admit you got me and was going to call for a delayed international indictment.  It wouldn't surprise me if they misspelled the last name.  0:

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 04:20:58 PM EST
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I'll have to fix that for the 100 year anniversary re-do...I thought I checked into that typo...oh well.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:50:31 PM EST
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