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The British seem uniquely incompetent in this field, though I have no idea why that is so.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:18:41 AM EST
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So do they have more accidents and low level leakage than other countries? If not are their excess failures statistically the same across all levels of accident? What specific safety measures or safety culture exist in other countries that could cause this increased level of safety and security? Or are there specific design problems with UK reactors? as an alternative could there be increased levels of monitoring by the general public that reveals more UK problems than come to light in other countries?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 08:45:36 AM EST
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is that the UK was one of the first countries to develop a civilian nuclear industry, and it got started when not everything was yet understood, and also based on military technology, where shortcuts were taken in various processes in the early days.

So it has more sites that badly contaminated from the early days, and more equipement that turned out to not be the best choices, and thus are also not easy to deal with.

France had the luxury of learning from UK and US mistakes, and chose the most practical, fully-tested technology for its plants - and used a single design, something that the UK miserably failed to do.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:22:29 AM EST
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The UK reactors are outdated cold-war relics, designed primarily to produce military plutonium. They are among the last of their kind still in operation in the world (graphite-gas designs).

Plus the operators are cash-strapped and skipped on maintenance. Vessels and essential heavy parts are past their intended lifetime.

Sellafield reprocessing plant is a kind of soviet-style eco-disaster akin to the (former) sea of aral. Dunno exactly why they fucked up so badly on this one.

Pierre

by Pierre on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:26:14 AM EST
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I remember reading in the 80s claims that Windscale / Seascale / Sellafield was deliberately designed to dump low level nuclear waste into the sea as part of a long-term experiment into the effects of radiation on populations (ie Scottish expendables).

I don't think this was ever directly stated, rather various experts suggested that there was no design need for the waste pipe that ran out to sea at all and so began speculating on why it was there. then they found evidence of long term collection of cancer records in the NW that weren't conducted elsewhere and added 2 + 2.

Whether they made 4 or 5 I don't think was ever confirmed, but given the cavalier way the UK govt have treated the population as experimental animals on other occasions it wouldn't be remotely surprising.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 12:45:52 PM EST
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As I think I've said before, a friend of mine used to fish on the coast just south-west of here, one day he caught a yellow and black buoy and so went to the local pub, in case it was a channel marker. they told him that they were being washed up all the time, and are basically thrown into the water of the outflow pipe to see where they wash up. In the top was a  sealed package with a postcard to send off to identify where you'd found it and get it picked up.

He dosent go sea fishing in the Irish sea anymore.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 12:57:36 PM EST
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