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damn the internet is like slow glue tonight, must be that ten minute rain we just had, the first in 2 weeks.

!!

i heard of a sat system that will give me 1Mps d/load, 128k upload for €45 a month. the bad news...€1000 to buy the dish, box, installation cost.

seems like there's no other way in these devil-forsaken boonies.

will that b/width support voip?

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 02:49:37 PM EST
There's something called 1 way satellite broadband that is cheaper. You download via satellite - getting the speed - and upload via dial-up. If you are not sending large packets of data this could be a solution, but only price comparison would reveal the best option.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 03:05:48 PM EST
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probably noty that  good for VOIP though

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 03:46:05 PM EST
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true...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 04:04:44 PM EST
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combination of lack of bandwitdth in one direction, and sattelite lag in the other.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 04:58:39 AM EST
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That lag would maybe preclude VOIP in whatever sat system?

I don't know - have no experience of this stuff, except for briefly investigating a system for uploading video rushes from a foreign location where confiscation of material was a possibility. The cameras were cheap and disposable, but the loss of shot material would have been a catastrophe.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 05:08:13 AM EST
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well not necessarily preclude it, just make conversation very difficult.

Satellite Service Battles Lag

The problem is latency: the time it takes an information request traveling at the speed of light to go from your computer to the satellite, be retransmitted to the satellite provider's operations center, and for the response to be uploaded to the satellite and retransmitted to your computer.

All systems have a certain amount of latency, of course, but terrestrial signals transmitted by wire or microwave almost never have to travel more than a couple thousand miles.

With satellites used for U.S. internet service stationed approximately 23,000 miles above the equator, each information/response packet has to make a round trip of about 92,000 miles, producing a noticeable lag -- about 0.25 seconds -- in applications that require near-instantaneous actions.

those quater second second gaps (if everything is working properly) are enough to be noticeable, and throw off mental cues in conversation so that speach appears fumbled, and people dont seem to be replying, the hand off signals that people use in conversation break down with these gaps thrown in, and conversational cues have to be handled conciously. which destroys some of the meaning transfered by conversation.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 05:18:39 AM EST
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Try synching up a master time code signal around a large video production facility ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 05:27:57 AM EST
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I'll get my Big hammer. ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 05:30:09 AM EST
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Certainly anything over about 250KB/sec should do.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 03:26:25 PM EST
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Sat has very long latencies - VoIP would have a built in delay of a fraction of a second.

Not fatal, but it would be noticeable.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 at 05:19:23 PM EST
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thanks all. for double the € i can get 2Mega d/load, 256k upload. would that put me in the clear of voip hassles?

people calling me on my landline (soon to be jettisoned, yay!) through skype has been 90% of the time complete torture, between stunning levels of background noise, ruinous distortion and vocoder effect on the tin-robot voice, and signal ebb.

nightmare...

i guess i will avail myself of a skype phone, and when the engineer comes to install/test the system, i'll try out skype.

even at €100 a month including 20% VAT, it may be cheaper than what i pay telecom, if i factor in that i make a lot less calls than i'd like to, to keep the bills down.

what else shall i try out when the engineer's here? youtube for sure, and one of those websites that tells you how much actual bandwidth is happening.

any particular ones anyone can recc?

i just heard on 'click online' last night that there is a 50G free storage available from http://www.adrive.com/

woot!

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 08:30:08 AM EST
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I get pretty good performance using Skype over my landline (Fastweb, 20 Euro/month), but living in a town might mean I have a better connection.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 02:15:07 AM EST
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