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This is one of the reasons that a little red flag goes up in my mind whenever people start talking about family this, family that and family the other.

I would say you are definitely on track attributing this to "conservative" desires to maintain patriarchal control of the family. Any sense of the prevalence of patriarchal family structures in Denmark and of the all too often  resultant authoritarian personality type.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 09:38:47 PM EST
Depends on where you look and how hard you look and what your definition of "control" is. If you go to fundie-land on the west coast of Jylland you'll probably find some - ah - traditional family structures. If you go to the ghetto and look at people from backwards countries, you'll probably find some there as well (although probably fewer than the smut press would have you believe...). If you look hard enough, you'll probably find some such relationships anywhere, but my gut feeling is that they are less common outside the ghettos and east of fundie-land.

That being said, there is still very much a glass ceiling for women career-wise, they still take care of a disproportional share of the housework and childrearing and generally have lower wages and less prestigious jobs. We have almost as many high-profile female politicians as male, but I'd guess that if you look at all our MPs most of them will be male (and I strongly suspect that it's even worse in municipal politics). That's just a guess, though.

But I have the impression that gushing about "family values" in Scandinavia is less about restoring or maintaining the patriarchy (outside a few fundie circles) than about shifting responsibility for maintaining a social safety net from the state to the family.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:27:32 AM EST
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but I'd guess that if you look at all our MPs most of them will be male (and I strongly suspect that it's even worse in municipal politics).

At least for MPs, according to IPU's table, Denmark is 7th in the world with 38.0% of MPs female.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:46:50 AM EST
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Compare it to "developing countries" like Germany (Bundestag 31.6%/Bundesrat %21.7%); and backward countries like the UK (Parliament 19.5%/Lords 19.7%), France (Assemblée nationale, Sénat both 18.2%), the USA (House 16.8%/Senate 16.0%) or Hungary (parlament 11.1%)...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:56:23 AM EST
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And if the Social Democrats manage to not implode before the next election there's a better than even chance that we'll have a female head of government as well as a female head of state :-P

Unfortunately, her politics is pretty awful. But it'll be a nice change to have a government beholden to the SocLibs instead of a government beholden to the fatcats.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:11:52 AM EST
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Unfortunately, her politics is pretty awful.

You just put a lot of work into two informative diaries, but I hope you can find the time to write a "status report" about her, the new party(ies), and whatever is the issue of the day presently in Denmark. (Even if domestic issues.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:24:59 AM EST
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I suppose I'll do a who's who at some point this weekend or the start of next week. I'll need to read up on the recent news, though, because I haven't been following them as religiously as I used to do before the public radio was contaminated with bizniz and "coaching" programs.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:22:14 PM EST
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