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I understand (or at least think I do) the rules of fair use in quoting from other people's written work.

however, cartoons have been reproduced here before and not drawn criticism. I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but what are the rules on this ? I'm obviously not alone in not knowing.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 05:28:42 PM EST
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To reproduce without comment is not fair use. Implied in 'fair use' is that the copyright work that is referenced is an 'illustration' of a broader topic. However much of this has not been tested fully in law - and varies by media.

Most record companies, for instance, are wary of samples from other works and seek permission from the original mechanical copyright owner. In literary reviews, quotations from the original work are expected - but since these quotations only represent a tiny tiny fraction of the whole work, I can't think of any case where reviews have been subjected to court tests. Incorporating literary passages into other works (without citation) though, has been the basis of many court cases.

We are in a shifting paradigm. Viral marketing often depends upon the easy reproduction and dissemination of copyrighted works where the copyright holder foregoes their rights for other benefits. Where ubiquitous visibility is a marketing tool, copyright is often forgotten.

Within 10 years or less, the copyright landscape will have totally changed - however the EU tries to legislate it.  The genie is out of the bottle.

We may reach a point where it is understood that nothing is truly original - every creative work depends on the audience understanding the references. Because you have to know the language before you can understand it, and all the works that have gone before have built that language.

There may be faster steps that appear to be more original by their disjunctiveness, but over time all steps can be traced back to the start of the walk.

As I said, it is a fine line, and can only be tested in court. I think we owe it to Jérôme to avoid that testing if possible.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 06:19:53 PM EST
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J, of course, has been equally guilty on occasion of posting cartoons without context ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 06:22:54 PM EST
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i thought it was ok if one acknowledged source, glad to stop if asked.

sorry if i put J at risk, i thought bart did the same thing!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 at 09:57:22 PM EST
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Melo; it is a jungle, with many different interpretations in different countries. But perhaps one key element is whether the reproduction of a copyrighted work, without the permission of the owner, is for commercial gain or fair use (a legal definition only existing in the US and Israel AFAIK).

ET is not a commercial site - membership is free, there is no income. And it would be fairly easy to prove that the context is one of 'social commentary' in the broadest sense. As a non-lawyer, I think your posting of copyrighted material with acknowledgement, or with link to the copyright owner's original publication, is acceptable, though lazy ;-).

I have occasionally posted copyrighted photos from Finnish papers myself, where I could find no alternative - assuming, as you do, that it is unlikely that the copyright owner would ever find such a use. And if they did, would they bother to pursue such use?

But the fact remains - are you adding anything to the copyright by simply reproducing them i.e. within the context of political, social and business commentary in which they are presented)? It is a tough one.

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You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 at 05:22:57 AM EST
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