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when the facts have consistently been on your side?

Or are you saying I've just been lucky?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:13:57 PM EST
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No: past performance is not a predictor of future performance.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:15:18 PM EST
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of economics but not of physics.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:40:49 PM EST
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take care that he claims to have posted the article before the actual drop in prices.

A free fox in a free henhouse!
by Xavier in Paris on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:37:35 PM EST
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The facts are on the side of the boomers - oil prices have been historically low, so this is a temporary spike. If you look at it that way.

I believe that current prices are probably above medium-term equilibrium  - due to overshoot and inelasticity - prices, but by how much is an open question. I wouldn't be surprised to see $80 again for a while at all. I wouldn't be madly surprised to see $200 either.  I would be surprised to see $20 again.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:23:50 PM EST
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"boomers" => "bubblists"
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:25:20 PM EST
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I'm on the anti-bubblist side.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:41:43 PM EST
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probably better stay away from the champagne region if you're wearing the t-shirt then.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:45:55 PM EST
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Elasticity is low both today an tomorrow. If we adjust to price by increasing fuel efficiency of vehicle, we only change level of consumption, not our ability to respond rapidly to price changes.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:05:47 PM EST
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Anyone who wants to bet real money that prices will be down to $80 a year from now stands to make an instant fortune over the next 12 months.

I think it's an unusually opaque market with quite a bit going on out of sight, so usual rules may not apply.

I would expect $80 if Iraqi production ramped up to pre-1990 levels, or the Falkland oil fields turn out to be substantial and not an investment trap, or if the US economy implodes in a spectacular 1929 kind of a way.

Iraq may be up to pre-1990 levels by 2010 or maybe 2012. The Falkland field is trading well as a speculation, but the rumours have been around for a decade and a half and there's no substantial output yet. The state of the US economy a year from now is anyone's guess.

China and India continue to grow and China continues to subsidise consumption, I think all we'll see is a move from Western use to Chinese and Indian use. So I'd be very surprised by $80. I'd also be surprised by $200. But a steady run at $120 and upwards doesn't seem so impossible.

I can imagine $100 at a stretch, but I'd guess that's at the lower end of likely.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:52:34 PM EST
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Colman:
The facts are ... spike. If you look at it that way.

I think you should say: "The fact is that, if you look at it that way, it's a spike".

(Proposition N°2: "The fact is that, if you look at it another way, it's not a spike")

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:13:17 PM EST
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Yup.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:13:50 PM EST
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