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I think it's hard to get attitudes to race in the US from this side. I can completely 'see' Obama as president. I don't think he'll be the president people want him to be, but the seeing part isn't a problem.

I have no idea what black culture thinks of him elsewhere. I suppose to be honest, I don't see him as culturally very black. He wears an expensive suit. He wears a tie. He speaks in a certain way and has certain ideas. He's not so different to all of the other men in suits and ties around Washington who think and speak in a certain way.

I don't really get the tokenism behind the Clinton and Obama campaigns because canned narratives frighten and depress me.

Being black or a woman or gay or white or male doesn't inherently make you a certain kind of person. People behave how they behave - anyone can be generous, and anyone can be exploitative. Certain castes get more play than others, but tokenism always seems more about getting caste membership to be more permeable than about getting rid of the castes altogether.

Obama is in the political class, and that's how he appears to me. His heritage gives him an angle with a certain kind of leverage from a certain kind of narrative. But that doesn't mean the narrative is true - only that some people might want it to be.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:07:53 PM EST
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I think you maybe didn't read my comment?  Or entirely misunderstood it.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:11:37 PM EST
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It's odd for me, because I feel the same as you, but the racial thing still means something to me.  I guess, having grown up still dealing with the remnants of the Old South, I can't help but look at Obama and think, "We'll you motherfuckers into dust," when thinking of the Reps.  But, at the same time, I recognize that Obama's not some great departure from the past.  It's difficult to properly explain, emotionally.  But it's a very emotional fight for guys like me.  I want to beat these asshole badly. I've got something to prove.  Obama v McCain is obviously a proxy war for many of us in the South, and I really like to win that fight.

Hope that makes sense to at least some extent.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:45:05 PM EST
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So very many typos in that, but they're pretty easy to fill in, I think.  Drew no drinky so much.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:55:29 PM EST
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