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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:33:18 PM EST

World leaders enjoy 18-course banquet... then discuss how to solve global food crisis | Mail Online

Just two days ago, Gordon Brown was urging us all to stop wasting food and combat rising prices and a global shortage of provisions.

But yesterday the Prime Minister and other world leaders sat down to an 18-course gastronomic extravaganza at a G8 summit in Japan, which is focusing on the food crisis.

The dinner, and a six-course lunch, at the summit of leading industrialised nations on the island of Hokkaido, included delicacies such as caviar, milkfed lamb, sea urchin and tuna, with champagne and wines flown in from Europe and the U.S.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:35:08 PM EST
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Over caviar and sea urchin, G8 leaders mull food crisis - World Politics, World - The Independent

World leaders are not renowned for their modest wine selections or reticence at the G8 summit's cheese board. True to form, discussing the global food crisis - spiralling grocery prices in the developed world and starvation in Africa - was clearly hungry work that left their stomachs rumbling.

Shortly after calling for us all to waste less food, and for an end to three-for-two deals in British supermarkets, Gordon Brown joined his fellow G8 premiers and their wives for an eight-course Marie Antoinette-style "Blessings of the Earth and the Sea Social Dinner", courtesy of the Japanese government.

The global food shortage was not evident. As the champagne flowed, the couples enjoyed 18 "higher-quality ingredients", beginning with amuse-bouche of corn stuffed with caviar, smoked salmon and sea urchin pain-surprise-style, hot onion tart and winter lily bulbs.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:37:21 PM EST
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I think I'm more disturbed by some of the entrees than I am about the fact they're being eaten while people starve.

Hairy crab bisque?
Bighand Thornyhead Fish?

I would like to know what the "fantasy desert" is...  Too bad Putin's no longer President. ;)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:49:47 PM EST
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This is a hairy crab:

Oddly enough, a crab with hair.

If someone put that menu in front of me I'd call out for a pizza.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 05:30:09 PM EST
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better check it hasn't called out and you're on the menu.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 05:34:42 PM EST
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Ever eaten softshell crab? Standard issue blue crab during molting season - you eat the thing whole - brains, guts, and all. Yummy. (really)
by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 06:40:41 PM EST
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I'm a vegetarian. :-/
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 07:51:05 PM EST
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Best thing, with that menu, would just be to grab the bottle of Corton Charlemagne.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:31:11 AM EST
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Umm, they're in Japan and 18 course would be a proper banquet for extremely noble guests. The portion sizes are tiny, bite sized. although it would go over these people's heads, there is a strict etiquette to what the courses can be, what order they are served in and the narrative that the flavours convey.

It does not mention that the last course is always rice. This indicates that the meal is over, you should now fill up and the go home. Good advice for the G8 wastrels

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:57:15 AM EST
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White House forced to say sorry to Italy over Silvio Berlusconi insults - Times Online

The White House was today forced to apologise to Italy after distributing a biography of Silvio Berlusconi to journalists which alleged that he only gained high office because of his "considerable influence" on the media.

The press kit, which was handed out to reporters as they boarded Air Force One on the way to the G8 summit in Japan, also described the Italian Prime Minister as "one of the most controversial leaders in the history of a country known for governmental corruption and vice".

The White House was today investigating how the four-page biography was included in the pack after apparently being pulled directly from an encyclopaedia without the wording having been checked.

The profile dwells on Mr Berlusconi's influence and wealth, suggesting that he is "hated by many, but respected by all, for his 'bella figura' or charismatic style, and for his force of will".

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:52:55 PM EST
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This is NOT from the Onion?...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:04:32 PM EST
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Not unless the BBC got it from there as well

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 05:37:41 PM EST
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Actually there was nothing insulting about it. The press kit said that Berlusconi was one of the most controversial figures in Italian history in a nation accostumed to government corruption and vice. He built "a personal empire that produced the longest government in Italy."

Hell, they didn't say he built his empire with corruption, bribery, illegal on-going monopolies,  collusion with the mafia and the subversive terrorist organization, the P2. Why apologize? It ain't no where hear half the truth.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 06:56:16 PM EST
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Here's where the White House cribbed the biography from:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_gx5229/is_2003/ai_n19152873
by asdf on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:17:38 PM EST
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Rank     Metro Market     Effective Rent
1     New York     $2,847
2     San Francisco     $1,825
3     Fairfield County, Conn.     $1,757
4     Boston     $1,646
5     Long Island     $1,521
6     Orange County     $1,520
7     San Jose     $1,504
8     Northern New Jersey     $1,460
9     Ventura County     $1,409
10     Los Angeles     $1,408

Average current asking rents. Fucking hell. Another way of looking at it - the cost of housing in NYC, LA, Bay Area and Boston still sucks.

via OC real estate blog

by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:17:50 PM EST
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In Paris, it's about 20 euros per square meter per month.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:20:39 PM EST
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The per sqm cost varies widely by neighbourhood and quality of the apartment. In my Brooklyn area it's a lot cheaper than that. Based on a mental calculation we're talking very roughly around $20-$25/sqm/mo. That's on the expensive side for Brooklyn but definitely not the most expensive. By Manhattan below Harlem standards that's very cheap - there you pay about double that, again with considerable variability.

By comparison what would rents be like in a nice but relatively poor but gentrifying and very non-white outer arondissement?

by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:28:09 PM EST
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NB rents are still going up in NYC. The purchase market is soft but fairly stable price wise - the high end is going up, the low end in Manhattan is flat, the gentrified/gentrifying Brooklyn areas are slightly down. Rents are the reverse of that - the high end is very soft, the rest is great for the landlords.
by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:32:36 PM EST
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there's surprisingly little variation for rent within Paris -except for smaller surfaces which are usually more expensive (it's almost impossible to find anything below 600 euros per month in Paris intra-muros).

Then the real discrimating factor is that owners ask for income equal to at least 4-6 times rent to let you in (plus, of course, 2-month rent as a guarantee, which you know you'll have trouble getting back)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:41:24 PM EST
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In NYC it's 40-50 times the monthly rent, gross income.
by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:46:22 PM EST
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He's talking per/month you're talking per/year

In San Francisco it's typically 3 times monthly required but that's just so they don't throw your application away immediately.  The best credit score, employer, wage and fastest checkbook typically take the space.

by paving on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 08:34:15 PM EST
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Actually, the non-Manhattan boroughs are roughly the equivalent of the "petite Couronne" départements. But even there, the drop off isn't that big - the wealthier Hauts-De-Seines have rents that are similar to Paris, and the poorer but gentrifying parts of Seine-Saint-Denis have only slightly lower rents.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 04:52:40 AM EST
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A 130 square meter loft in downtown Colorado Springs is $1700 per month.

http://www.rentals.com/Home-Rentals/Display.aspx?ListingNumber=792344

by asdf on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:26:41 PM EST
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That's 8 euros per square meter per month...
by asdf on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:29:41 PM EST
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Today on the train home, the conductor comes - and on his conductors' box, he fixed a nice big Greater Hungary map in Árpád-stripes colours and with some text in old Hungarian script.

I thought I'll have to punch him on the spot. But then I was level-headed/coward enough. So I wrote emails to the passenger railway company complaints and the big boss himself. If there is no reaction, I'll write to newspapers.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
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When I was doing intensive German at a Goethe institute I noticed that the map on the classroom wall had the former German territories marked as Polish occupied territories.
by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:35:00 PM EST
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And that coloured in Nazi flag colours?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:53:56 PM EST
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And some text in Gothic letters?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:54:15 PM EST
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I mean, it's not the simple Irredentist romantic I mean, that is widespread thankyou, also in the form of country identifier stickers on cars (a H letter not in an oval but a Greater Hungary outline with the red-whitew-green flag of Hungary as background). But the far-right distinguishes itself by colouring stuff in Árpád-stripes colours.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:57:52 PM EST
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Yup, Gothic included. No Nazi colours, or Kaiserreich stuff. It was just an official government map from the sixties.

Btw, what is old Hungarian script anyways? Is it Gothic, is it the hellishly illegible cursive version of Gothic? Or is it something else altogether?

by MarekNYC on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 06:36:25 PM EST
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just an official government map from the sixties.

West Germany didn't recognise post-WWII borders until Brandt, I think.

Or is it something else altogether?

Something else altogether. It is of Turkic origins, was used already in pagan times, was used last by the Szeklers, and died out around 1850. Later nationalists developed a mythology around it. Today's far-right uses it both as an identifier of roots and a kinda-code-language.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 01:43:46 AM EST
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Oh, and I now get my mistake: I wrote Gothic letters, but I meant runes... and there is an English Wiki page on odl Hungarian script, which has one single sentence about present-day far-right use.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 02:51:26 AM EST
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An insulting and stupid anti-EU diary on dKos

But then I read the author's blogroll of standard anti-EU right wing conservative fare (some probably US funded) and realised the guy is probably politically the european equivalent o being a Bush/Cheney supporter.

Yet, the dKos people, who would give short shrift to a repugnican who came on their site, will probably treat this as a serious comment from a "concerned european". Sigh !!

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:39:33 AM EST
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Fran, congrats for the first-ever story to make it into the list of Most Commented threads ever without a single hot-button issue or flamewar!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 08:46:57 AM EST
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that's our fran in a nutshell!

let's hear it for yoga and psychology, a winningest combination.

bravissima

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 09:33:28 AM EST
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No hot buttons? What about European Council powers? Or nuclear accidents?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 09:40:10 AM EST
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How many comments about each?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 10:47:03 AM EST
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Well... OK, but (1) there was no flame war on either, (2) I count at least four major comment threads, not one or two.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 12:00:34 PM EST
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my sister who is in Paris and i are skyping and she says there are jets flying lower than she has ever seen over the city.  this was as of about 3:50 PM.  anyone know what's going on?  are these preps for the 14th of July?

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 09:55:19 AM EST
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That sounds like what happens yearly around these dates. Is she anywhere near the Champs-Elysées ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 10:05:51 AM EST
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Etienne Marcel on rue de Turbigo.  

She says the planes came from north-northwest, directly right over the Musée Pompidou, continuing south-east, flying really low.

So you think these were planes rehearsing for the 14 juillet?

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 10:36:51 AM EST
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Well, if the planes were coming from west-northwest rather than north-northwest, that'd be more or less the axis of the Champs Elysées. And my wife who works in La Défense, at the other end of l'Axe Historique, saw them pass by, too.

So, yeah.

I saw them last year, when I was working in La Défense too.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 10:40:14 AM EST
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