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EU Justice Ministers Call for Tougher Immigration Policy | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 08.07.2008
Migration into and out of the European continent has always been a touchy issue. Now EU ministers are calling on tougher rules, which discourage illegal immigrants while still encouraging skilled foreign labor.

European Union justice ministers have announced that Europe should take complete control of migration into and out of the continent, working with the rest of the world to end illegal migration and manage legal flows. The news comes as EU ministers meet with their counterparts in the southern French beach resort of Cannes.

 

The informal meeting, a regular feature of EU politics, is aimed at getting ministers to agree on the broad outline of policies, so that they will find it easier to agree on the technical details at future, formal meetings.

 

Monday's talks were set to be dominated by a proposal from the French government, which currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, to create a "pact on immigration and asylum" between the EU's 27 member states.

  

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:36:26 PM EST
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The outcome was on ET's front page yesterday. Deutsche Welle is mistaken, it was a meeting of Interior (ie police) ministers, not Justice.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 02:05:48 AM EST
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DW is also mistaken in that this was not an "informal" meeting.

It wasn't a meeting of the European Council, which is the "Summit" that gets all the attention but is not an EU institution. However, it was a meeting of the Council of the EU in its configuration of "Justice and Home Affairs" which is an EU institution.

DW's confusion about the ministers may come from the "justice" bit in the name.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:34:36 AM EST
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It wasn't a meeting of the European Council, which is the "Summit" that gets all the attention but is not an EU institution.

Didn't we conclude that it became one?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:41:09 AM EST
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Only after Lisbon, which hasn't quite happened yet.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:42:05 AM EST
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I find I found it is in the consolidated version after the Treaty of Nice already, though without a clear definition.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:53:06 AM EST
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What's more, in the current version, Title I, Article 4 of the Treaty on European Union does define the European Council, but I am not sure from when that section originates.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:57:14 AM EST
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I find it was added by the Treaty of Amsterdam in 1999.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 04:00:39 AM EST
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Nnno, that source was wrong, the Treaty of Amsterdam only sets out some of the EC's roles. It was added already by the Treaty on European Union in the Maastricht Treaty (right at the beginning, Title I, Article D).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 04:09:34 AM EST
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Well, you can see in the Consolidated Treaty Establishing the European Community (Nice), the Table of Contents lists the following "Institutions":
Part five -- Institutions of the Community

TITLE I -- Provisions governing the institutions

Chapter 1 -- The institutions

Section 1 -- The European Parliament

Section 2 -- The Council

Section 3 -- The Commission

Section 4 -- The Court of Justice

Section 5 -- The Court of Auditors

Chapter 2 -- Provisions common to several institutions

Chapter 3 -- The Economic and Social Committee

Chapter 4 -- The Committee of the Regions

Chapter 5 -- The European Investment Bank

And

Article 203

The Council shall consist of a representative of each Member State at ministerial level, authorised to commit the government of that Member State.

The office of President shall be held in turn by each Member State in the Council for a term of six months in the order decided by the Council acting unanimously.

It is the Consolidated Version of the Treaty on European Union (Nice) that mentions "the European Council", but it's still not an "institution".
Article 4

The European Council shall provide the Union with the necessary impetus for its development and shall define the general political guidelines thereof.

The European Council shall bring together the Heads of State or Government of the Member States and the President of the Commission. They shall be assisted by the Ministers for Foreign Affairs of the Member States and by a Member of the Commission. The European Council shall meet at least twice a year, under the chairmanship of the Head of State or Government of the Member State which holds the Presidency of the Council.

The European Council shall submit to the European Parliament a report after each of its meetings and a yearly written report on the progress achieved by the Union.

The Lisbon Treaty makes the Council an "Institution":
PART SIX INSTITUTIONAL AND FINANCIAL PROVISIONS

TITLE I INSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS

Chapter 1 The institutions

Section 1 The European Parliament

Section 2 The European Council

Section 3 The Council

Section 4 The Commission

Section 5 The Court of Justice of the European Union

Section 6 The European Central Bank

Section 7 The Court of Auditors



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:20:51 AM EST
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OK.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:45:28 AM EST
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Splitting hairs, I know. What really annoys me about the Lisbon Treaty, the more I read it, is that it strengthens the intergovernmental character of the EU and weakens the supranational.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:58:19 AM EST
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I love splitting hairs.

I agree with you: the distinction of the "Council of the European Union" and the "European Council" was only nebulous in my mind until recently, and didn't realise that it was nebulous legally, too, and that it was just the Lisbon Treaty that finally cleared this nebulosity. That's a bad point.

One of these days, you, me and Jérôme should browse through the treaty and then battle it out over just how the treaty really shifts power and relative weight between Parliament, Council (both of them) and Commission.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 06:11:51 AM EST
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I only really became aware of the fine points as a result of Sven's recent diary on How the EU works.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 06:15:51 AM EST
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For me it came with Stop Bliar! and the question of whether we have a President right now (e.g. President of the European Council vs. Presidency of the Council of the European Union).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 06:39:49 AM EST
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I realise now that my The Bigger Picture diary still conflated the two "Councils".

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 06:45:00 AM EST
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And how do most citizens get on with this? It's utter freaking incompetence to use the same word, "Council", in these two instances, particularly considering that the Council of Europe was an important pre-existing body.

The usually-well-informed Canard Enchaîné last week trips over its webbed feet in mixing up the European Council and the Council of Europe: in an erratum notice about a previous mix-up!

Canard, 18 June: a story says the Council of Europe has launched a campaign against smacking children (true). But it mixes up the Council of Europe with the European Union, which is not the case.

Canard, 2 July: an erratum note says they mixed up the Council of Europe and the European Council. The note says the Council of Europe is composed of the 27 heads of state of the EU, and the European Council, founded in 1950, is made up of 47 members including Russia and Turkey.

Aaarrggh!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 08:04:43 AM EST
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You mean, the added confusion with the Council of Europe as a third Council with Europe in its name?

  • Council of Europe: human rights watchdog and forum
  • Council of the European Union: the basic intergovernmental institution of the EU, consisting of the ministerial colleagues from national governments appropiate to a given issue
  • European Council: the body consisting of the heads of states/governments that branched out from the Council of the European Union's meeting in that constellation, and is to become an official institution with Lisbon


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 08:57:30 AM EST
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Yes. They could have avoided "Council", as it was already used by the Council of Europe.

But does the problem exist in Hungarian, for instance?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:09:51 PM EST
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In Hungarian, it's worse actually -- while the Council of the EU has a more sensible name, the other two differ in a single letter:

  • Európa Tanács
  • Miniszteri Tanács
  • Európai Tanács

...and it's worse in German than in English, too:

  • Europarat
  • Rat der Europäischen Union
  • Europäische Rat


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:55:06 PM EST
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I find a lot of sources that call it an "Justice and Home Affairs informal ministerial meeting"... Hmm.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:43:46 AM EST
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In fact that's right, here's a French presidency page about it. So DW is partly right.

The meeting is said to be informal.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 03:53:41 AM EST
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Interesting, does that mean there's no need to publish an agenda, or minutes, or results of votes? It's a nice way to get around transparency requirements in the Council.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 05:11:32 AM EST
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Here [PDF] is the entire working programme of the French Presidency.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 at 06:12:23 AM EST
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