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Why you are putting in my mouth words that I never said???

This is what I said:

same difference

by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 12:24:42 AM EST
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Big difference:
Helen said this:
Recently you said of the claim that there are 8,000 dead in bosnia that less than 500 died in reality.
 

I said that western media claims 8000 dead in Srebrenica ONLY, not in Bosnia , and that as by now (10 years later)  as far as I understand (corect me with new evidence if I am wrong) there is EVIDENCE for about 1500 dead. Huge difference of 6500 people. And even biger difference in propaganda purposes.

Again Helen said:

Even assuming that the murder of 500 civilians makes it okay and just a harmless bit of fun

What Helen is "assuming" is definitely not what I said .To be precise I said that I regret every single life lost in those conflicts...
Now this is exactly what your western propaganda is made of.Falsification of numbers and false assumptions...
No hard feelings guys.

by vbo on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 02:16:56 AM EST
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Your (understandable) anger and passion can cause your comments to seem more Serbian partisan than you might intend.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 02:51:31 AM EST
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Yes I am passionate about Serbia especially when I see lies about it. Things are bad enough with Serbia even without lies...
by vbo on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:12:05 AM EST
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And yes, what Helen said in here statement was not true from another prospect too:
I never said that there was evidence for 500 in Srebrenica ...I said 1500.

When I was talking about Kosovo I said:

People still believe that Serbs unlawfully killed thousands (4500) on Kosovo...and it turned out as around 500.

I think I even linked somewhere before where I found that Milosevic was accused of some 560 dead on Kosovo or so.

Direct me please where to find EVIDENCE that will support western media statements.

Here I found interesting article:

http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/kosovo/kosovo-real-story.htm

that is also telling how truth is distorted by this time British Bulshit Corporation...

by vbo on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:06:50 AM EST
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Direct me please where to find EVIDENCE that will support western media statements.

Hey, now you're asking for impossible tasks... Plus, have we actually quoted the media on this?

How about everyone just looks at figures from the UN and other presumably respectable organizations before quoting a death toll?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:51:09 AM EST
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UN...
Are you sure?
HRW...I am not sure...
Can we believe anybody nowadays?
by vbo on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 08:19:52 AM EST
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Can we believe anybody nowadays?

Then we might as well stop debating numbers...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 08:24:15 AM EST
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Yap...it's really hard to find anything reliable on Internet let alone in media...
Trying to find more I found this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6666

American Council for Kosovo documents 8 years of ethnic cleansing against Serbs

WASHINGTON - United Nations forces moved into Kosovo in 1999 to "stop genocide." But, according to a blistering new report from the American Council for Kosovo, U.N. troops have aided and abetted the deliberate, systematic and nearly complete ethnic cleansing of the mostly Christian Serb population by mostly Muslim ethnic Albanians. "Every facet of the way of life of the Serbs of Kosovo is threatened by the new reality established since June 1999 under KFOR (the NATO Kosovo Force) and the U.N. and therefore the very existence of the Serbs there is threatened," says the report "Hiding Genocide in Kosovo."


Interesting...have you found anything like this in big media?
by vbo on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 08:37:49 AM EST
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Quite a bit actually. Ditto for HRW, even if you might dismiss them as radical leftie American hating islamofascist commie symps.
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 08:50:09 AM EST
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The American Council for Kosovo is an activity of Squire Sanders Public Advocacy, LLC, and Global Strategic Communications Group, which are registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act as agents for the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija. Additional information with respect to this matter is on file with the Foreign Agents Registration Unit of the Department of Justice in Washington DC.

Paid propagandists and lobbyists for the Serbian government are not a credible source any more than the US government is on Iraq.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:28:44 AM EST
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OK.
But let's hear them if anything to have a little balance with "paid propagandists and lobbyist" for UK government at BBC who are as credible as above one.
And I just spotted that no matter how much you people here on ET criticize western big media you still quote/read (almost exclusively) just them. This is telling me that actually you BELIEVE them. So your critics seems to be posing. But it's only normal. You have been raised to believe them.
Well rest of the world (much bigger part of world population) DO NOT believe them. Period. And I thank God that I ve been raised in socialist/communist country where I learned to question everything because it was so obvious that they lied.
by vbo on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 08:01:54 PM EST
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vbo:
This is telling me that actually you BELIEVE them.

I don't know which blog you've been reading, but I don't think it's ET.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:04:22 PM EST
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