Georgians slaughtering S Ossetians and Russians slaughtering Georgians; individually, in families and possibly in large grops of whoever could be rounded up in small villages. This is more or less what we expect in these war-lets these days. Official militaries and militias seem to believe they more or less have the right to do whatever they want to whoever they want for any reason whatsoever until somebody orders them to become civilised again.
We know it goes on, the public know it goes on. And and the politicians who never ordered the atrocities ? They knew it would happen too, and didn't actually mind if the "de-humanised other" got a bit of a lesson in power politics. In their eyes it's war and war is hard and necessary if you're doing it to someone else, and an atrocity if it's done to you.
Is it morally any different than destroying an entire village with a lser guided bomb in Afghanistan on the off-chance it might be used by al-Qaeda is something you can argue. Although in my opinion I'd have to say no. It's a discussion that maybe we ought to have.
But this constant complaint of yours that Serbia never did anything to anyone guv, totally inncent of everything, betrays a staggering ignorance of how war is waged and an incredible attitude to evidence.
Recently you said of the claim that there are 8,000 dead in bosnia that less than 500 died in reality. Even assuming that the murder of 500 civilians makes it okay and just a harmless bit of fun, the fact that over 1,000 bodies have recieved official identification and re-burial kinda undermines your claim and says more about your personal prejudice than the reality of what went on in the former Yugoslavia. keep to the Fen Causeway
you're saying Serbs never did anything wrong, not even the nasty ultra-nationalists you have said elsewhere you never supported. Milosevic is a martyr, and Karadzic is only called a "war criminal" because he was on the losing side. ...But this constant complaint of yours that Serbia never did anything to anyone guv, totally inncent of everything, betrays a staggering ignorance of how war is waged and an incredible attitude to evidence.
Where did you people read that in my posts??? I never said that! All I am saying is that your media for the purpose of propaganda war against Serbia / and now Russia is falsifying NUMBERS and even events sometimes (like Racak, Markale etc.) They start with a huge numbers of victims in order to shock your public and to show brutality and uncivilized behavior of who ever they do not support and when real data comes it's already too late, public already have their opinion engraved in their brains.
Recently you said of the claim that there are 8,000 dead in bosnia that less than 500 died in reality. Even assuming that the murder of 500 civilians makes it okay and just a harmless bit of fun, the fact that over 1,000 bodies have recieved official identification and re-burial kinda undermines your claim and says more about your personal prejudice than the reality of what went on in the former Yugoslavia.
Why you are putting in my mouth words that I never said???
This is what I said:
People still believe that Serbs unlawfully killed thousands (4500) on Kosovo...and it turned out as around 500. Ask anyone and they'll swear that there was 8000 victims of Srebrenica...they can hardly prove more then 1500...Don't get me wrong , every single life is precious but I am really sick of western lies and propaganda.
Which part of it you don't understand? Just the opposite of what you are accusing me I never said Serbs are innocent. I was just trying to say what you said: It's a war, people kill each other in a war...but from your media we only learned that Serbs were animals on a killing spree. When it comes to the other side even if they mention their killings of the Serbian civilians it is always coming with a grain of the sympathy...because they are somehow good guys.
Now (I presume) you may think (cause your media is totally silent about it) that Russian sources are not credible when the say that 2000 Ossetians were killed by Georgians. Ok. They, Russians may exaggerate numbers because they learned about propaganda war too. But where are western forensics to tell us their truth? OK they may not be able to go to a territory where Russian military operates but Georgians clamed that Russians killed huge number of Georgians and west is accusing Russia for the unproportioned use of force...where are forensics to show us mass graves on Georgian territory? And if they are talking about infrastructure, Georgians were lucky to deal with "humanitarian" Russians comparing to Serbs having to deal with uncivilized NATO that totally ruined country's infrastructure killing unselectively civilians in the process. That my friend is what I am talking about. There was no one happier then me when I saw Milosevic striped of his power. But after what I`ve learned lately about international justice and legality (Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia...) I tend to think that Milosevic is just a small figure criminal ...nothing like "Balkan's butcher" as you called him. Now I see the butchers of universal proportions hiding behind words like "democracy" "peace" "security"...and they are not only free. They are leaders of the " free world". Free world- what an illusion... So I am simply comparing and learning in the process. Looks like most of you here still think that "Kosovo is an exception". For the starters Russians have news for you. It's not! Do not believe everything your shity media is trying to engrave in your brain. I KNOW ABOUT WAR MUCH MORE THEN YOU. And you are lucky for that matter.
same difference
Recently you said of the claim that there are 8,000 dead in bosnia that less than 500 died in reality.
I said that western media claims 8000 dead in Srebrenica ONLY, not in Bosnia , and that as by now (10 years later) as far as I understand (corect me with new evidence if I am wrong) there is EVIDENCE for about 1500 dead. Huge difference of 6500 people. And even biger difference in propaganda purposes.
Again Helen said:
Even assuming that the murder of 500 civilians makes it okay and just a harmless bit of fun
What Helen is "assuming" is definitely not what I said .To be precise I said that I regret every single life lost in those conflicts... Now this is exactly what your western propaganda is made of.Falsification of numbers and false assumptions... No hard feelings guys.
When I was talking about Kosovo I said:
People still believe that Serbs unlawfully killed thousands (4500) on Kosovo...and it turned out as around 500.
I think I even linked somewhere before where I found that Milosevic was accused of some 560 dead on Kosovo or so.
Direct me please where to find EVIDENCE that will support western media statements.
Here I found interesting article:
http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/kosovo/kosovo-real-story.htm
that is also telling how truth is distorted by this time British Bulshit Corporation...
Hey, now you're asking for impossible tasks... Plus, have we actually quoted the media on this?
How about everyone just looks at figures from the UN and other presumably respectable organizations before quoting a death toll? A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
Then we might as well stop debating numbers... A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6666
American Council for Kosovo documents 8 years of ethnic cleansing against Serbs WASHINGTON - United Nations forces moved into Kosovo in 1999 to "stop genocide." But, according to a blistering new report from the American Council for Kosovo, U.N. troops have aided and abetted the deliberate, systematic and nearly complete ethnic cleansing of the mostly Christian Serb population by mostly Muslim ethnic Albanians. "Every facet of the way of life of the Serbs of Kosovo is threatened by the new reality established since June 1999 under KFOR (the NATO Kosovo Force) and the U.N. and therefore the very existence of the Serbs there is threatened," says the report "Hiding Genocide in Kosovo."
WASHINGTON - United Nations forces moved into Kosovo in 1999 to "stop genocide." But, according to a blistering new report from the American Council for Kosovo, U.N. troops have aided and abetted the deliberate, systematic and nearly complete ethnic cleansing of the mostly Christian Serb population by mostly Muslim ethnic Albanians. "Every facet of the way of life of the Serbs of Kosovo is threatened by the new reality established since June 1999 under KFOR (the NATO Kosovo Force) and the U.N. and therefore the very existence of the Serbs there is threatened," says the report "Hiding Genocide in Kosovo."
The American Council for Kosovo is an activity of Squire Sanders Public Advocacy, LLC, and Global Strategic Communications Group, which are registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act as agents for the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija. Additional information with respect to this matter is on file with the Foreign Agents Registration Unit of the Department of Justice in Washington DC.
Paid propagandists and lobbyists for the Serbian government are not a credible source any more than the US government is on Iraq.
This is telling me that actually you BELIEVE them.
I don't know which blog you've been reading, but I don't think it's ET.
