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It's a semi-arid area that is farmed in an extremely stupid way. Basically a load of europeans farming like they're in a wet temperate climate, so they irrigate. Anybody want to know why Iraq is a desert ?? Panhandle dustbowl in S USA ?? Exact same thing.

didn't somebody here highlight a video of proper farming technique in that desert last year ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:26:00 AM EST
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Helen, the Islamic empire were world leaders in irrigation techniques for a reason.

In semiarid areas you irrigate. See Mesopotamia, the "Fertile Crescent", the lower Nile and, why, yes, Al Andalus.

It's not about stupid Europeans though they may be stupidly growing wet temperate crops...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:29:41 AM EST
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I'm talking about Israel. That's emphatically not the islamic world and the draining of the Sea of Galilee is absolutely about stupid europeans growing wet temperate crops.

the Fertile Crescent is a historical fact. It's where civilisation emerged and way back then it's where farming devleoped. But then it received rainfall.

Then, when the climate changed 6,500 odd years ago everything went to shit down there cos it stopped raining. Yes, they learnt to irrigate, but didn't understand the process of salinification and so gradually the land became unusable and the soil blew away, leaving dry sand.

Also, as the land became drier, the irrigation channels got longer and longer. Satellite photos reveal how new channels were dug to bring in water from further and further away.

But it was hopeless. You can farm in arid regions so long as you stay in areas of marshland that flood. But the "fertile crescent hasn't flooded in thousands of years. That's why it's a desert.

And somebody here posted a video last year showing the proper way to farm in that region. and it ain't the way the israelis do it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 08:16:34 AM EST
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The problem in the fertile crescent wasn't only lack of rain ; the original agriculture techniques involved leaving the land fallows for a dozen years, essentially letting the forest regrow before burning it and cultivating it. As population densities increased, the forest couldn't find the time to regrow - and thus the land started blowing away, replaced by sands. The forests could hold water for quite some time ; the baren lands they gave way to couldn't.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 08:25:50 AM EST
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I'm talking about Israel. That's emphatically not the islamic world

Where is Palestine, then?

But yes, draining the Galilee sea would be a stupid irrigation technique in any case.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:55:34 AM EST
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