We have had discussions of similar Polish and Baltic factions in the past... A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
They were both patriots, and fascist.
Well I don't think so. As I said looks like they did cooperate at some points with Germans and Italians against communists but they were far from fascists. Ideologically they were NO fascists. As opposed to Ustashe that were WORSE then German fascists.Ideologically and in practice... Would Americans give Legion of Merit to a fascist? Looking at the present time...Well one never knows haha. What your Croat friends have to say about Ustashe ?...I am curious...
Hey, it's well-documented that the Americans enlisted former Nazis to fight the Communists after WWII, so...
I never debated WWII with my Croatian friends, but I can tell you a large part of them had no patience for Tudjman.
Interestingly it tended to be either older people, or the girls my age. The boys my age (they were between 15 and 20 in the early 90's) were all gung-ho nationalists. Must be a side effect of the high testosterone levels. A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
Also you really shouldn't make the mistake of saying that because they fought against one set of fascists that somehow makes them non-fascist. The Polish fascist resistance group NSZ, for example, consistently fought the Nazis during the occupation, but they were very much fascists - more so actually than the Chetniks, and just as much as the Ustashe.
We have had this debate before, and I have conceded your point that Franco was a soft fascist.
But I'll still call him a fascist anyway even if it's not 100% accurate in political science terms.
Franco may not have been a fascist, but the CEDADE and the Falange were straight-out pascists, and he folded them into his National Movement. A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
Not quite sure how the Ustashe were worse than the Nazis.
