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Jerome

Riding the high horse does no good. All of us here know this is part of a failed policy. You can do no more to convince us, as we were already convinced. Why go to dKos and try to piss off the natives? Is it really going to do more than make both sites uncomfortable? All the people who disagree with you are going to see... "blah blah blah I drink the lovely schadenfreude blah blah". Not helpful on the whole.

Realpolitik only works when both sides aren't constantly looking for an advantage. It might work if either side was only seeking an advantage part of the time, but the U.S. and Russian Federation are BOTH trying to win the 'great game' at nearly any cost. It's a time of complete unrealpolitik, so don't be so ready to trust EITHER side!

Dissolve NATO if you really hate the U.S. course so much. Cut off the chunnel, because the U.K. is just as guilty. Do SOMETHING to try and dissuade the warmongers, because all Europe has done so far is either play along or sit on it's collective behinds.

Complaining loudly will do nothing

Kevin

by kevinearllynch (mr_kevinlynch@sbcglobal.net) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:30:28 AM EST
You've missed the constant drumbeat of "what is NATO for? , what is NATO for?" around here, haven't you? We'd mostly love to dissolve NATO and stop European governments constantly pandering to the US and instead following an independent and principled foreign policy.

We're quite capable of criticising both the US and Europe.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 03:35:24 AM EST
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Coleman

I missed none of it. Do it. Do something! Harsh words won't stop either side from bad actions. Attacking me to make yourself feel better won't change anything, period.

Kevin

by kevinearllynch (mr_kevinlynch@sbcglobal.net) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 01:21:57 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure that neither Colman nor the entire membership of ET has the power to dismantle NATO.

Otherwise, there would be no NATO.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 02:37:02 PM EST
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This relates to some of the other running discussion themes on ET, namely the democracy gap in EU institutions, and the general disconnect of national political elites from the general population regarding issues of foreign policy.

As in, nobody cares what a bunch of ordinary people say or think.

by Zwackus on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 09:47:47 PM EST
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Following the threads at the GOS, there are less than 10 commenters who disagree with Jerome.  It looks like more because they're pretty strident and persistent.  Those guys hate Russia with a white-hot heat, and any reference to it must be in the context of total evil.
by tjbuff (timhess@adelphia.net) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 09:35:27 AM EST
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