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It wasn't stupid to calculate that Russia's response would be limited - that might have been right on the balance of probabilities...

Perhaps, yes, in a parallel universe.

In this one, however, when Russia tells you up front, ahead of time, before you start mowing down S. Ossetian villages, that if you start mowing down S. Ossetian villages, they will retaliate, when Russia makes it as clear as humanly possible to you that it has a previous agreement with S. Ossetia in which they will defend S. Ossetia should you start mowing down S. Ossetian villages, then, in this universe, the balance of probabilities is that Russia will retaliate and do everything in their power to defend S. Ossetia.  

C'mon.  Anyone who's ever taken History 101 knows that when Russia says it will fight back, it does, and they usually do not err on the side of restraint.  I can understand some of the greatest megalomaniacs in history underestimating Russia's will, but Saakashvili?  That has to fall into the category of "THAT stupid."  Or "delusional."  Or "assuming the US and NATO would go to war with Russia on behalf of Georgia."  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 11:53:40 AM EST
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If there is one country left in the world that employs Realpolitik, it is Russia. And they seem quite open about it.

With due respect to poemless' anti-war diary, we should all realize that part of the Russian response is revenge for the civilians and soldiers killed in the Georgian offensive in S. Ossetia. (And part of that is sheer political calculation: 1) the residents of S. Ossetia are now fully convinced that Russia is their only friend in the world; and 2) Georgia, Ukraine, Estonia, etc. are now fully apprised of consequences.) As soon as the message is acknowledged and all of the Georgian troops are out of Abkhazia and Ossetia, military action will cease.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 at 04:17:51 PM EST
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"due respect" is unnecessary.  One does not need to condone the loss of life in order to understand and acknowledge the compelling reason for Russia's actions over the past 5 days.  Gorby gets it:

MOSCOW -- The past week's events in South Ossetia are bound to shock and pain anyone. Already, thousands of people have died, tens of thousands have been turned into refugees, and towns and villages lie in ruins. Nothing can justify this loss of life and destruction. It is a warning to all.

The roots of this tragedy lie in the decision of Georgia's separatist leaders in 1991 to abolish South Ossetian autonomy. This turned out to be a time bomb for Georgia's territorial integrity. Each time successive Georgian leaders tried to impose their will by force -- both in South Ossetia and in Abkhazia, where the issues of autonomy are similar -- it only made the situation worse. New wounds aggravated old injuries.

Nevertheless, it was still possible to find a political solution. For some time, relative calm was maintained in South Ossetia. The peacekeeping force composed of Russians, Georgians and Ossetians fulfilled its mission, and ordinary Ossetians and Georgians, who live close to each other, found at least some common ground.

Through all these years, Russia has continued to recognize Georgia's territorial integrity. Clearly, the only way to solve the South Ossetian problem on that basis is through peaceful means. Indeed, in a civilized world, there is no other way.

The Georgian leadership flouted this key principle.

What happened on the night of Aug. 7 is beyond comprehension. The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas. Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression against "small, defenseless Georgia" is not just hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity.

Emphasis mine.

Could not have said it better myself.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 11:13:10 AM EST
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for me. Your anti-war piece is well-said and always pertinent.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 11:37:42 AM EST
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