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Sorry, there apparently are unwritten rules against saying ANYTHING positive about America here.  They just need a place to get their anger on.  If you are so angry with America that you refuse to recognize it has anything to offer the world, you can join in the fun, but please don't ruin their party.
You clearly haven't read or understood the diary.  Which part of the following to you not understand?European Tribune - What is America good for?

The 50 year era of US dominance post WW2 has been relatively peaceful and prosperous, and although obviously unjust in many ways, it is hardly comparable to the old Imperial looters and Hitler and Stalin in their rapaciousness and evil.  There is no guarantee the next 50 years are going to be as stable - especially if we have a serious of resource wars over diminishing oil, food, and water resources.

So we may yet come to appreciate the era of Pax Americana as a relatively benign era - not because the American people are innately morally superior, but because a Unipolar world order worked reasonably well for a time until the arrogance and hubris of the few destroyed it

If there is criticism of the US here, it is clearly aimed at the hubris of the neocon "New American Century" project and the failure of the Bush regime to engage positively with emerging world powers and create a stronger system of international law and governance to prevent a lethal return to a pre-WW1 style multi-polar world order without any such safeguards.

You can disagree with that thesis if you want, but if you think it is anti-American or that this diary is predicated on some hatred towards America you clearly haven'y understood a word I have written.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 06:12:45 PM EST
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...but because a Unipolar world order worked reasonably well for a time until the arrogance and hubris of the few destroyed it

Excuse me - but afaik that so-called "world order" was in fact bipolar...+ assorted nonaligneds??? And it subjected most of the planet, one way or another, to military occupation + ideological/political vassalage + threat of eternal destruction amidst unthinkable suffering if at some point the 2 main "big guys" flipped into ballistic mode in the course of their imperial pissing-match... preferably on others' soil?

The 1989-to-2001 decade was at least as brutal and nasty as the era that preceded it and in any case behind the blahblah-screen it too was "unipolar" solely in name, i.e. in the sense that the temporarily-wingclipped chose to bide their time, quietly prepare their comeback .. main feature being that the many-poor got duly-poorer while the few-rich got duly-snottier and the hatreds rose.  

It was also the era in which waging small wars was sold once again as an idealistic "duty" thereby temporarily-restoring their international-imperial "respectability".

'Course those who wish to wallow in nostalgia are welcome to do so... do excuse me for preferring to spit on the floor while making the evil-eye sign to ward off a recurrence.

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami

by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Tue Aug 12th, 2008 at 11:23:09 PM EST
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eternalcityblues:
The 1989-to-2001 decade was at least as brutal and nasty as the era that preceded it and in any case behind the blahblah-screen it too was "unipolar" solely in name, i.e. in the sense that the temporarily-wingclipped chose to bide their time, quietly prepare their comeback .. main feature being that the many-poor got duly-poorer while the few-rich got duly-snottier and the hatreds rose.  

Can't agree.  No world wars.  No threat of Nuclear Armageddons.  No major Vietnam scale prolonged regional wars - the Iran-Iraq war was probably the worst but was relatively short. End of Apartheid.  Improvements in human rights in lots of Latin American countries.  Unprecedented growth in world economy. End of Iron curtain and enlargement of EU. Lots of local despots and wars and famines of course - buts that's par for the course in any era in history - the background noise if you like.  Sure, the rich got richer.  What's new?  

And if it was bipolar, who was holding up the other pole?  Russia - broken. Arguably even the Soviet Union was never truly competitive with the US in anything but large nuclear warheads.  The EU - give me a break.  China - their economy - at that time - was smaller than a large European state.  There was NO COMPETITION to the US at strategic, military, economic and political terms.

This is not nostalgia - its a hard headed analysis.  Every generation thinks that their problems are the worst but there was a period after the Cold War when many of the most intractable problems in world politics - and even some in terms of economic development were being resolved.  There used to be mega famines in India and China.  Eastern Europe was severely underdeveloped.  There were even some hopeful signs in Palestine Israel.  And of course Saddam invaded Kuwait - a matter that would not have been of even passing interest to the West had there not been a lot of Oil and business interests involved.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 07:18:35 AM EST
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too bad poemless and you both rose to each others' bait...

from where i stand the diary was written in good faith, tho' perhaps instrumentalising sven's comment a bit.

america's gifts to the planet are legion, as are her curses.

how is anyone going to come to some kind of tidy summation in one diary of all that?

nice try though!

fwiw, everyone here had valid points, the friction was redundant.

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 07:52:56 AM EST
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great to see you back ecb!

bin lurkin' here?


The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 07:29:01 AM EST
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Hi Melo!  Yeah I've been lurking faithfully in the foliage as usual.. reading the economic info and learning, reading the environmental info and learning - but again as usual given my passionately war-nerdish nature, it's taken yet another serious dose of mega-mayhem in the offing to get me fired up enough to actually start typing... even off-topic. :-(

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami
by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Wed Aug 13th, 2008 at 07:35:25 PM EST
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