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The Ruskies are back. Praise the Lord! | 125 comments (125 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: I have a diary in the works (4.00 / 2)

I was talking about the existing reality. NATO is and would be a pre-condition for EU until and unless the "old Europe" gets its act together and shakes off too intimate US embrace. Don't see this happening before my Altsheimer strikes and I fade into bliss of being uninformed and not caring any longer.

by Sargon on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 02:54:09 PM EST
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Just like Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland and Malta?
Left Cyprus out because the British still have a base there?

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Thu Aug 14th, 2008 at 03:08:36 PM EST
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I'm talking about the former Soviet block. Empirically, for it the NATO membership was a necessary condition for the EU entry. Whatever you can say about Finland, it wasn't in the Soviet block.

Of course, former Soviet block countries usually wanted to be in NATO to get protection against the Russian threat they perceived. Still, we really don't have a case of a former Soviet block country willing to get into the EU but not NATO and getting its wish granted.

by Sargon on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 05:28:33 AM EST
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I suspect that NATO membership was the price for US support for EU membership ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 05:33:57 AM EST
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Do we have a case of a former Soviet bloc country wanting to get into the EU but not NATO?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 05:34:52 AM EST
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I've certainly seen it reported that the general understanding was that NATO was first and the EU second, but I've never worked out why that was.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 05:43:06 AM EST
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Because security always comes first. Something NATO but not the EU delivers.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 07:57:37 AM EST
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In Ukraine, popular support for EU membership is much stronger than for NATO - or at least used to be. Ukrainian mass-media was almost indistinguishable from CNN/BBC during the Ossetian crisis, who knows how that will play out.

by Sargon on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 at 06:30:29 AM EST
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