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Fortunately, Berlusconi's power is bound up in his person, combining what ever it has been that has made him so attractive to Italian voters with his wealth, media monopoly and political savy.  The true danger would be if a suitable heir were to appear, able either to inherit or seize the media empire and to replicate or even improve upon his personal abilities.  An Augustus to B's Julius.  

While unlikely to be able to be able to act in the wider world on anything like the scale of the originals, this could make domestic politics decidedly unpleasant.  Considering B to be the political, intellectual and moral heir of Mussolini, as I do, I found it appropriate that he should have been the earliest and staunchest supporter of GWB's Iraqi adventures--a rather unsettling farce of the '30s tragedy, as Marx would have had it.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 01:13:51 AM EST
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spot on, there is no-one to follow him who has the same ability to seduce aged women voters, who see him as a cross between jesus christ and frank sinatra.

without his media/football empire behind them, the right would be more transparently negative.
i'm hoping he's the 'sunset effect' in italian politics, a brief flare-up before the right goes down, hopefully for ever.

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 02:29:48 AM EST
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Hope springs eternal in the Human breast
Man n'er is, but is always to be blest'   A. Pope

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 12:20:02 PM EST
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It's a dynasty. I expect Piersilvio to follow in his father's tracks, then Luigi, who is still very young. The personal political entity known as Forza Italia or whatever catchy new name they can come up with is a total emanation of the Berlusconi clan. It will have no problem selling Piersilvio when the moment comes, and by then I'm sure he'll win by a landslide.

<Cut this out and paste it on the fridge.>

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 02:50:49 PM EST
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Obviously you know Italy, de Gondi, but I don´t want to lose that much hope for that long a period!  Tell us you see better possibilities, please....

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 03:28:51 PM EST
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ouch...that's just what i hoped i wouldn't hear!

sons of such a father usually don't have the same passion for power, in my experience, plus by then italy will have had to face and deal with issues that will not be covered up by endless tette e culo (t'n'a) teevee shows and hero-worship of footballers.

my gut tells me that reality will not permit such indulgence much longer, either here or anywhere else.

wishful thinking, perhaps.

wistful thinking, certainly.

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 06:25:29 PM EST
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Informed public opinion is nearly gone in Italy. Facts no longer exist. The only thing that might turn things around is a major economic collapse- which of course will be blamed on the communist domination of Italy over the past four centuries.

Surprisingly, the Catholic weekly continues to be very harsh with the Berlusconi regime, calling it out as neo-fascist.

Not until Berlusconi's monopoly of the media is broken will Italy break out of its pipe dreams. It will get far worse in autumn when Berlusconi will muzzle the press with his execrable wiretaps bill.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 12:49:46 AM EST
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that famiglia christiana article was a shock, huh?

who'd a thunk it?

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 06:19:10 AM EST
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The debate on public opinion is old hat but taken up a few days ago by Nanni Moretti in Berlin. He noted that he is a film director and writer, yet people always want his opinion on Italian politics. He went on to say that since people ask him, evidently the people who should be discussing the problem, auch as politicians, aren't doing so.

He remarked that after 15 years of being fed Berlusconi's propaganda, the new generations take the Italian situation for granted, as they have no means of comparison. The new generations are spectators of "politics", not citizens who participate in politics (which in the end is the defining nature of citizenry). Since inconvenient hard facts have been reduced to  opinions or swept under the rug, we cannot say that Italy has an informed public opinion. It's no wonder Italy continues to be classified at the bottom in terms of freedom of the press.

On Sunday, Eugenio Scalfari took up Moretti's argument in his Repubblica editorial- and today the debate continues.

Famiglia Cristiana of course does not express any official position of the Church which quite to the contrary much prefers Berlusconi. It is the most widely distributed weekly in Italy and does reflect the unease of Catholics who are by and large more modern and liberal than the hierarchy.

Obliquely, the Pope did come out against racism and its modern forms yesterday. Naturally, the government wholeheartedly agreed. Some noted that the Pope's words has utterly nothing to do with the government's recent actions. He must have been thinking about Greenland, I suppose.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 11:22:59 AM EST
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i sure hope you have time to keep us posted here, i'm trying not to get too dependent on you for the real skinny on what's going down...

The power of knowledge is in mortal combat with the knowledge of power. It really is that simple... That's the Edenic apple we are all munching on.
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 07:04:09 AM EST
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When your best hope for salvation is from the Church, you know you are in deep do do.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 01:01:39 PM EST
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