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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:11:55 PM EST
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Heh.

(shrug) Looks like it's going to be Biden anyway.  The tea leaves read that way pretty clearly, at least in my opinion.  So my Kaine pick apparently blows, and none of my top three look to be the one.

I'd be just fine with Biden.  He'd be a proper attack dog.  He knows how to talk to people in plain language.  He's wickedly funny.

And the Georgian president did specifically ask to see Biden.  That's pretty impressive.

Plus, Biden's an old warhorse.  He's earned it.

And my better half was for Biden, so that balances out nicely.  I picked the presidential candidate, she gets veep.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:24:37 PM EST
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I will bow to your fairfaxian knowledge in these matters. Does he bring any states with him?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:34:40 PM EST
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No.  He's from Delaware, although he's (very loudly) an Irish-Catholic from Scranton, PA, originally (and if you ever listen to him, it shows).

A Biden pick suggests Obama was going for someone with some foreign policy gravitas, but also for someone with a more plain-spoken/rougher style to balance Obama's rock-star shtick.

The downside to Biden is that he's incapable of staying on message, and he cusses...a lot.  His favorite word is "malarkey," but that's often replaced with "bullshit".  At the same time, that blunt speaking style also gives him an advantage similar to the one comedians like Stewart and Maher enjoy: He can say things in a somewhat outrageous way, but in a way that normal people find perfectly understandable (and enjoy hearing).  Here's a good example:

Thanks to that (and the fact that his son is a soldier and his wife a teacher), he comes off much more real than other politicians.

He comes with some big negatives and big positives.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:50:38 PM EST
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JFK and LBJ kind of contrast? Good cop, bad cop. Johnson was the one who could deliver Congress.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:01:28 PM EST
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Kinda.  Johnson was a more talented legislator than Biden.  Biden's the better guy.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:03:02 PM EST
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Let's hope Biden can toast with the Russians Kekkonen/Melancthon style ;-)

Putin was never going to take any shit from a teetotaller like Bush or uptight arseholes like Cheney. They are not mensch.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:10:09 PM EST
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I don't think Putin drinks...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:14:58 PM EST
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He's not a 'just say NO' kind of chap

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:29:34 PM EST
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I don't see what one has to do with the other.  You said "Putin was never going to take any shit from a teetotaller like Bush."  I'm just saying, Putin is known for his relative sobriety, esp. in comparison to his predecessor.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:39:20 PM EST
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Not sure that comparison does much justice to Putin, in fairness.  That's kind of like being known for one's relative level of accomplishment in comparison to Paris Hilton.

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 04:06:57 PM EST
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It's the pills v booze philosophy. Both, of course, are used to keep the masses happy. There was so much valium, quaaludes, mandrax etc prescribed in the 70's that half of the American population must have been semi-catatonic.

Whether Putin drinks or not, (and as a sportsman he has reasons not to) the culture in which he lives defines masculinity by the kind of male bonding that occurs under the influence - just as in Finland.

But we are talking at cross-purposes again ;-)

I'd just like to say that I support your take on Russia. For what it's worth...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 04:44:36 PM EST
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As long as the campaign doesn't muzzle him to prevent any suggestion of ANYTHING specific.  They act like they don't think they could defend themselves on anything were they ever attacked on specifics.  This leaves them vulnerable to attack on a lack of specifics.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 05:31:52 PM EST
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There is an old adage to do with media projects: there are 3 selling processes. First you have to convince the backers, then the creative crew, and finally the audience. The argument is different at each phase. Or maybe different in emphasis.

I don't see the US Presidential race as being that much different. The only difference is that in media the 3 audiences rarely connect - the statements one makes rarely come back to haunt you.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 05:44:45 PM EST
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Impossible to muzzle Biden.  Everybody who's ever watched Biden knows it.  In fact, I'm sure, if he's chosen, it will be with full knowledge that a key point to Biden is the inability to muzzle him.  Just tell him to not say anything too stupid, and turn him loose.

It complements well, stylistically.  Obama, undoubtedly by design, is supposed to be the larger-than-life, big-picture, (for lack of a better word) airy presidential candidate.  Biden, in contrast, has the tools (properly directed) to deliver a heavier version of the message that would be easier for some to relate to coming from a guy like him.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 06:38:02 PM EST
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Would that I were confident that Biden would be an adequate shield for Obama on all items specific.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 07:25:50 PM EST
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This headline on it was pretty damned funny, too:

DelawareLiberal.net | Biggest Day in History of Delaware is Coming.

Delaware was the first state in the union, but somehow Joe Biden being named veep would be the biggest day ever?

Small states are so weird.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 02:32:34 PM EST
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