On this side of the pond, at least, the peace movement has ALWAYS been impotent. On NPR this afternoon they were replaying some White House tapes of Johnson worrying about how the U.S. could not succeed in Vietnam--in 1965! There were anti-war demonstrations then, and throughout the remainder of the sixties and into the seventies, but we didn't finally get out of there until 1974. Even though Washington knew it was a lost cause nine years earlier.