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Do you think that Turkey is conceding that EU membership is impossible with this issue outstanding?
by paving on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:06:37 AM EST
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When they can come together in the proper manner, then no one has to do any conceding and no one has to make the other take blame.

Things were pointing this way by small measures for the last few years.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 04:43:06 AM EST
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I don't think this is under Turkey's control anymore. I may well be wrong but I got the impression that Turkey has been for some resolution, any resolution, for a fair old while, but that the Cypriots themselves were the problem. At the last referendum wasn't it the greek cypriots who threw a spanner in the works cos they didn't like the conditions the previous turkish cypriots imposed ?

Now you have two sides on the island who are both working open-mindedly for a solution. I I hope good things come from this quickly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:32:30 AM EST
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It's exactly the opposite.

Turkey is AGAINST a resolution, and the Cypriots (both sides are for it).

And for that reason these talks are going absolutely nowhere.

Everyone on the island and in diplomatic circles knows it.

Furtehrmore, even the UN does because they appointed a noted rabble rouser to oversee the talks.

by Upstate NY on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:00:43 PM EST
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Surely if the North Cypriot government asked Turkey to withdraw its troops, they would have to do it?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:04:17 PM EST
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Why do you assume that?

The Turkish military nearly overthrew their own gov't recently. They could snap their fingers instantly and the current gov't in North Cyprus would collapse overnight.

Just last week there was a controversy in which the north's PM had promised pilgrims they could visit a church in the north. Much to his embarrassment and chagrin, the military prevented the visit, this despite the fact the border crossings had been open for months.

The Cyprus problem won't be solved until Turkey is on the doorstep of the EU. I read the Turkish papers everyday, and everyone considers Cyprus a great card for Turkey to play in negotiations with the EU.

Finally, the events in Kosovo and Georgia give the TRNC hope.

by Upstate NY on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:01:51 PM EST
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So you say Turkey has forced the Northern Cypriots to demand conditions in the last plan, which Southern Cypriots could not accept?

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:29:05 PM EST
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I don't need to say this. The Turkish Cypriots have said it.

Regardless, what they're asking for now goes way beyond even the last Annan Plan which was rejected. Having two states in a confederation was not in the cards.

by Upstate NY on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:53:51 AM EST
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