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But I closed the deal for Obama.

Which means you did more for the campaign than quite a few of the Chicken Littles on dKos have done, I reckon.  You flipped two folks while the blogosphere was flipping out over what I thought was pretty likely to be one night's outlier throwing off the dailies' averages.

Now that Obama appears to be on the move, they're all breathless, and maybe -- just maybe -- we look at the possibility of McCain choosing a running mate and starting his convention with a growing Obama lead hanging over his head.  If I'm Obama, I'm finding a theme to blitz McCain and his running mate on next week.

Corruption, entitlement and sleaze would be it if I had to choose.  Put out one vicious ad per day, and send the surrogates out to hammer the RNC.  Get Hillary's people together on it, too.  McAwful, Rendell, Begala -- all of them.  They're good at staying on message.

The fact that McCain's now snapping at reporters and trying desperately to gain attention suggests, again, that panic is grabbing Grandpa Simpson and his minions a bit.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:15:02 PM EST
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I read that Time interview. It was surreal, I'm beginning to wonder if the BBQ bus-boys might be missing their beer and getting a little antsy by telling a little truth now and again. Those journos really tried to make nice and McCain bit their hands off.

That's gonna feed to the networks at some point and McCain's gonna tank. The POW card is getting threadbare already with even MoDo calling him on it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:36:46 PM EST
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Their internals must suck.  They're losing the Latino vote by some 35% and AA vote by 4-5% (versus '04) to Obama - that's a swing of 2-4 million votes from the GOP to the Dems.  Vote count wise, that means they have to come-up with at least 3 million new voters.

The only thing that can save their bacon is another massive GOTV of the Evangelical/Christian Right.  So the thing to watch is McCain's "Enthusiasm" numbers.  

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:41:12 PM EST
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McCain will melt down and punch a reporter - verbally or literally. It will be the Dean Scream moment of the campaign. The media will cover it because it will be good for their viewing figures.

And that will be that.

At this point the R's only chance is a sniper on the roof.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:53:45 PM EST
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Oh no, McCain can still win.  There's 68 days left and the campaigning will get serious, start heading for the finish line, after the GOP convention.  

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:02:03 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:09:21 PM EST
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You know they're griping about this because they're afraid it's going to make for a great backdrop.  But, hey, I'd bitch, too.  Those are furrener columns.  After all, we don't use columns in America, certainly not in (say) DC.

This is grasping at straws.  The veep crap, the lame-o-meter-through-the-ceiling "congrats" ad, the bitchfest about the columns, etc.  It's really quite pathetic.

Which is why I'm inclined to think Gallup's polling matches McCain's internal polling.  The Democratic convention has gone pretty damned well.  Michelle and Hillary kicked ass.  Joey and Billeh were quite good (and their effect hasn't been felt yet).  And it's probably a safe bet that Obama's not going to be awful.

I could be wrong.  Maybe they just want attention.  But these sure are the signs you look for when you want to know if the opponent is frightened.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 07:22:39 PM EST
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The only thing that can save their bacon is another massive GOTV of the Evangelical/Christian Right.  So the thing to watch is McCain's "Enthusiasm" numbers.

So you don't think choosing a recently pro-choice Mormon or a still pro-choice Jew would be good for McCain?

   

by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:08:28 PM EST
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Nope.

The Mormon vote is locked for the GOP already.  The Jewish vote is locked for the Dems.  As much as these can can be, of course.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:15:30 PM EST
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Bingo.  Lieberman actually hurts him -- and, I should add, hurts him more than the other contenders -- in Florida.  Florida.  The state where every Jewish mother-in-law on the planet outside of Israel resides.

Every GOPer I've spoken with is truly scared shitless of McCain choosing Lieberman, because it would rally the Dems and potentially cause a floor fight at the convention.

Now with Mitt -- sure, you further solidify an already pretty solid Mormon vote.  (Utah can then, I think, be called a "solid McCain" state.  You go, girl.)  But you also run the risk of further depressing your base in the South and the more Evangelical areas of the West.  People like -- oh, I dunno -- McCain's mother (who clearly hates Mormons).

Finally, do you really want to send Mitt out to get slaughtered by Biden?  I know McCain hates Mittens because he thinks Mitt's a pussy (which, granted, he is), so maybe he'd enjoy that, but McCain does presumably want to win.  And when he doesn't have the questions handed to him ahead of time, McCain is a pretty lousy debater, even relative to Obama (who isn't exactly God's gift to debating).  Why risk getting beat in the presidential debate and then watching your veep compound the problem by being truly slaughtered?

Pawlenty is the safest choice, but I don't think he gets you anything.  He's not terribly popular in Minnesota anyway.  And why should he be?  This is the guy who vetoed the transportation bill before the bridge collapse.  He's also got all the charisma of a turnip, and is about as deep as Dan Quayle.

But he doesn't piss anybody off.

I'm still betting on Mittens.  But I'd go with Pawlenty if I were McCain.

For the record, Mitt's at about 51% on Intrade.  Pawlenty's at about 48%.  So it's almost even money.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:53:03 PM EST
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How are they going to get a massive turnout effort when they have no ground game?  Obama's got something like 45 field offices in Virginia alone.  McCain's got, like, 2 in SW.

Anyway, thought you'd get a kick out of this bit from the Onion:  I dream of a day when my Democratic nominee will be judged, "not by the color of his skin but the arugula-laden contents of his recycled Whole Foods grocery bags."

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 07:46:52 PM EST
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Don't gloat yet.

The GOP could very easily open a ton of offices directly after their convention.  I admit that doesn't look likely, now, but it would be a nice PR coup after all the foo-foo about Obama's effort.

10-4 on the argula thing.  ;-)

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:50:29 PM EST
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One thing you're missing, AT, is that the GOP's GOTV effort for evangelicals in '04 was massive, and was underway for a good year leading up to the election.

It's far too late for them now, and McCain's not the kind of guy the evangelicals will come out for in masses.

Putting Mr. squirrel frier on the ballot might do the trick, but they're not going to do that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:59:10 AM EST
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Not missing, just don't have any information.  

It takes time to build a GOTV machine but once built regular maintenance can keep it ticking over.  The Evangelical turn-out was the triumph of the GOP in '04.  How much of the machine is left, how many people they can get to staff the machine, how effective the machine will be are open questions.  

Given the '06 results I think it is safe to assume this machine is in need of oiling and, perhaps, a new transmission.  In the GOP's favor is loosely attached, low information, voter participation and interest in politics increases in a presidential year.  (Loosely attached, low information, voter pretty much defines the Evangelical block, Praise Jeebus!)  A restocking, recapitulation, of this machine could, would, fly under the notice of journalists since a good deal of work could be done within existing churches and social (personal) networks.    

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:46:16 AM EST
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bus them all into hurricane country the GOP convention to pray for FEMA.

let them see what Holy Wrath looks like, since they're all so keen at calling it down for others...

The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:23:48 PM EST
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So Drew - what are you doing? I was informed that civil servants can help out, as long as they don't do so from or in their office, in their official capacity, or using their work e-mail (though I did recruit a volunteer who gave me his army.mil e-mail) Anyways, hang out at an office in NoVa the occasional weekend for some canvassing. You're southern, you have poor southern relatives, maybe you'll figure out a way of getting through to the poor whites in the area. God knows I wasn't getting anywhere, espresso sipping, Euro-yankee that I am.
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:36:28 PM EST
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can you tell I've been doing the hard sell?
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:41:40 PM EST
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Is that what the rule is -- working for a campaign is fine, so long as it's not done in the office?  I've been under the impression that we're supposed to stay as far away from campaigns as possible, except to say that we're allowed to donate (which I won't do because I'm superstitious).  And there may be additional restrictions based on my particular agency, since it's connected with the Electoral College allocations.

But if that's the rule, I'll do canvassing.  I've managed to bring all of my friends and most family onboard (grandparents were a tough sell since they're afraid Obama will "only be for The Blacks," but they came around when I reasoned with them on how stupid and ignorant an idea that was).  And I've dutifully done rebuttals to the smear emails and all that.

Hell, even a few of the racist Georgia kinfolk got onboard.  "Well, he's a n-----, and I hate the Democrat Party, but we cain't have McCain."  (shrug) Whatever works, I guess.

You're from New York, so you're automatically fucked with the rest of the country.  I'm amazed they allowed you to canvass with the whites.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 07:04:44 PM EST
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"Well, he's a n-----, and I hate the Democrat Party, but we cain't have McCain."

What's the emoticon for bug-eyed astounded?

If that attitude spreads it'll be a massacre.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:34:21 PM EST
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Well, it just sort of is what it is.  One of my cousins there, the one from whom I got that (rough) quote, is a big liberal.  (Loves Obama, for the record.  Always has.  Kind of old-hippy-meets-southern-redneck.  Very weird.)  He'll literally pick fights with Republicans he comes across in public just to get the chance to verbally beat the snot out of them.

But he grew up rural Georgia in a different time.  He was born into racism, and it's just who he is.  But he's got the sense to say, "I don't give a damn what color this guy's skin is, because we need the Democrats."

And there are more of them out there.  If we can win even a small number, we'll win this election in a walk, and we'll get those seats we need to pound the agenda down the Reps' throats.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:42:24 PM EST
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You're the only other person on ET who can 'get' this ...

The strange thing is Obama should have a certain appeal to southern whites because that culture has more in common with AAs than they do white Yankees or Westerners.


A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:58:39 PM EST
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Or at least won't think I've squiffed my squib.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:59:16 PM EST
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Except that Obama is much more black than he is African American. That is, racially, in this still rather non post-racial society, he's black, but, those years on the South Side notwithstanding, his background isn't African American. Grew up in Indonesia with a white mother and Indonesian step-father, then Hawaii with his white grandparents, then went to Columbia and Harvard Law. The African-American culture with its roots in the South is one he learned as an adult, not one he absorbed growing up.
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:37:18 PM EST
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To elaborate, his cultural background is white and 'Asian' he would have been more familiar with  whitebread American and Indonesian than he was with African American. Japanese and maybe Chinese too, given the Hawaii childhood.
by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:25:52 AM EST
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excellent point marek.

for all the real ethnic harmony that hawaii models in some ways, it is as rare to see afro americans as it was in santa cruz california.

and s.cruz has that place a few miles away where it is predominantly AA, begins with a W, it's on the tip of my tongue.

hawaii has some military AA's, but they're just passing through.

The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:30:50 PM EST
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