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Their internals must suck.  They're losing the Latino vote by some 35% and AA vote by 4-5% (versus '04) to Obama - that's a swing of 2-4 million votes from the GOP to the Dems.  Vote count wise, that means they have to come-up with at least 3 million new voters.

The only thing that can save their bacon is another massive GOTV of the Evangelical/Christian Right.  So the thing to watch is McCain's "Enthusiasm" numbers.  

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:41:12 PM EST
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McCain will melt down and punch a reporter - verbally or literally. It will be the Dean Scream moment of the campaign. The media will cover it because it will be good for their viewing figures.

And that will be that.

At this point the R's only chance is a sniper on the roof.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:53:45 PM EST
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Oh no, McCain can still win.  There's 68 days left and the campaigning will get serious, start heading for the finish line, after the GOP convention.  
by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:02:03 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:09:21 PM EST
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You know they're griping about this because they're afraid it's going to make for a great backdrop.  But, hey, I'd bitch, too.  Those are furrener columns.  After all, we don't use columns in America, certainly not in (say) DC.

This is grasping at straws.  The veep crap, the lame-o-meter-through-the-ceiling "congrats" ad, the bitchfest about the columns, etc.  It's really quite pathetic.

Which is why I'm inclined to think Gallup's polling matches McCain's internal polling.  The Democratic convention has gone pretty damned well.  Michelle and Hillary kicked ass.  Joey and Billeh were quite good (and their effect hasn't been felt yet).  And it's probably a safe bet that Obama's not going to be awful.

I could be wrong.  Maybe they just want attention.  But these sure are the signs you look for when you want to know if the opponent is frightened.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 07:22:39 PM EST
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The only thing that can save their bacon is another massive GOTV of the Evangelical/Christian Right.  So the thing to watch is McCain's "Enthusiasm" numbers.

So you don't think choosing a recently pro-choice Mormon or a still pro-choice Jew would be good for McCain?

   

by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:08:28 PM EST
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Nope.

The Mormon vote is locked for the GOP already.  The Jewish vote is locked for the Dems.  As much as these can can be, of course.

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:15:30 PM EST
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Bingo.  Lieberman actually hurts him -- and, I should add, hurts him more than the other contenders -- in Florida.  Florida.  The state where every Jewish mother-in-law on the planet outside of Israel resides.

Every GOPer I've spoken with is truly scared shitless of McCain choosing Lieberman, because it would rally the Dems and potentially cause a floor fight at the convention.

Now with Mitt -- sure, you further solidify an already pretty solid Mormon vote.  (Utah can then, I think, be called a "solid McCain" state.  You go, girl.)  But you also run the risk of further depressing your base in the South and the more Evangelical areas of the West.  People like -- oh, I dunno -- McCain's mother (who clearly hates Mormons).

Finally, do you really want to send Mitt out to get slaughtered by Biden?  I know McCain hates Mittens because he thinks Mitt's a pussy (which, granted, he is), so maybe he'd enjoy that, but McCain does presumably want to win.  And when he doesn't have the questions handed to him ahead of time, McCain is a pretty lousy debater, even relative to Obama (who isn't exactly God's gift to debating).  Why risk getting beat in the presidential debate and then watching your veep compound the problem by being truly slaughtered?

Pawlenty is the safest choice, but I don't think he gets you anything.  He's not terribly popular in Minnesota anyway.  And why should he be?  This is the guy who vetoed the transportation bill before the bridge collapse.  He's also got all the charisma of a turnip, and is about as deep as Dan Quayle.

But he doesn't piss anybody off.

I'm still betting on Mittens.  But I'd go with Pawlenty if I were McCain.

For the record, Mitt's at about 51% on Intrade.  Pawlenty's at about 48%.  So it's almost even money.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:53:03 PM EST
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How are they going to get a massive turnout effort when they have no ground game?  Obama's got something like 45 field offices in Virginia alone.  McCain's got, like, 2 in SW.

Anyway, thought you'd get a kick out of this bit from the Onion:  I dream of a day when my Democratic nominee will be judged, "not by the color of his skin but the arugula-laden contents of his recycled Whole Foods grocery bags."

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 07:46:52 PM EST
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Don't gloat yet.

The GOP could very easily open a ton of offices directly after their convention.  I admit that doesn't look likely, now, but it would be a nice PR coup after all the foo-foo about Obama's effort.

10-4 on the argula thing.  ;-)

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 09:50:29 PM EST
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One thing you're missing, AT, is that the GOP's GOTV effort for evangelicals in '04 was massive, and was underway for a good year leading up to the election.

It's far too late for them now, and McCain's not the kind of guy the evangelicals will come out for in masses.

Putting Mr. squirrel frier on the ballot might do the trick, but they're not going to do that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:59:10 AM EST
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Not missing, just don't have any information.  

It takes time to build a GOTV machine but once built regular maintenance can keep it ticking over.  The Evangelical turn-out was the triumph of the GOP in '04.  How much of the machine is left, how many people they can get to staff the machine, how effective the machine will be are open questions.  

Given the '06 results I think it is safe to assume this machine is in need of oiling and, perhaps, a new transmission.  In the GOP's favor is loosely attached, low information, voter participation and interest in politics increases in a presidential year.  (Loosely attached, low information, voter pretty much defines the Evangelical block, Praise Jeebus!)  A restocking, recapitulation, of this machine could, would, fly under the notice of journalists since a good deal of work could be done within existing churches and social (personal) networks.    

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:46:16 AM EST
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bus them all into hurricane country the GOP convention to pray for FEMA.

let them see what Holy Wrath looks like, since they're all so keen at calling it down for others...

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:23:48 PM EST
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