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Since i was a founding member of the High Falls Food Coop back in hippy days, a sustenance gardener some of the time before becoming a city boy, and a compulsive shopper at Rainbow Grocery Coop and other local outlets in Frisco, i've always believed that organic food was almost better than having health care.

obviously, organics have messed with my mind to believe that.  ;-)  (Or maybe other substances messed with my mind, thankfully.)

Here in Germany, i always buy organic or local produce with very little chemical additive to both the food or the farming.  i never once thought about how expensive it was, simply knowing i had to do it for my own well-being.  i love being able to walk a hundred meters out my door to a farmer's market, including free-range poultry, wild deer meat, some buffalo once in a while.

Such organic consumption has an obvious effect, for i'm rarely sick, exceptionally healthy for a several hundred year old man who drinks copious quantities of alcoholic holy water.  i'm glad to have spent the extra dough, and sad that it's so tight for the Brits who are turning away from organics.

Isn't it so that what's absolutely essential for the survival of the planet's skin also tastes so much better, and even has vitamins?  I'm pleased that in Germany organics are a part of almost all the chains.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:44:22 AM EST

... exceptionally healthy for a several hundred year old man...

Is it just me or does this phrase sound ... strange?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:50:01 AM EST
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Yes, and thinking all the money you can save by not needing nutritional supplements as vitamins and minerals.

I also buy organic when ever possible and am lucky that the supermarkets sell organic as well as local. I like that they also put the adress of the farmer on display.

I really would rather restrict on many other things, than the quality of food. Because I do believe that nurtrition is the foundation of our health and we should not be surprised if the body starts rebelling with health problems if we put stuff into it, that is either to difficult for it to metabolise or in such excess amounts, that the excretion organs can not get rid of it anymore.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:06:19 AM EST
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I do a 500 mg Vitamin C about every other day or so and a standard aspirin at about the same rate. I'm doing fairly well for 63 years old, and it's not all genetic.

Besides, if you have any tendency to 'live to eat', then you probably know about flavor. Anybody want to compare homegrown, or the better organic, foods to the petroleum-derived artificial-flavored cardboard that comes from Kraft?

Almost anything that I ate in France was worth the premium that I paid over the 'comparable' U.S. product.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 01:26:45 AM EST
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Almost anything that I ate in France was worth the premium that I paid over the 'comparable' U.S. product.

Wait until you've visited Lyon...;-)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 09:59:51 AM EST
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We had a terrific mid-day meal in Beaune (400 U$D for 4 adults and 2 children, so it better be terrific).

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:57:58 AM EST
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I would be delighted if you could come to Lyon in May. I took a great pleasure in our meeting in Paris with linca, but it was too short!

You will be welcome anytime. I can host you in Lyon. Just let me know sufficiently in advance.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 12:51:12 PM EST
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Price premium? With the dollar down for restaurants sure, but for store bought good food, not really, even now. On the other hand, if you live in the right place in the US, finding great food isn't hard if you're willing and able to find the price. And with that time to go off to the greenmarket.
by MarekNYC on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 11:47:20 AM EST
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My price comparison is Pacific NW, which is probably 2/3 of your prices.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:59:00 AM EST
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Unless you go to Hunts Point Market, in which case  the price is a tiny fraction of that. I only did that once: it requires a car, a fair amount of time, and organizing a group of people to share the food that you buy.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 12:41:31 PM EST
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I don't know about the northwest, but I was rather surprised to find that the Bay Area had higher prices for food (store bought) than NYC. Of course that just might be a function of my friends not having figured out where to go.
by MarekNYC on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:19:18 PM EST
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Just as an example, I buy pasture raised, grass fed organic milk for $3 per half gallon. Good local butter for $4/lb (though it's not nicely packaged - you buy it by weight), great prime aged steak at $8/lb for sirloin, $13 for shell or ribeye at an old italian butchers in the Village. You want good reasonably priced fresh fish, go to Chinatown or some of the greenmarkets. My local greenmarket also has very nicely priced good veal.

I'm food obsessed with a limited budget so I've put a fair amount of effort into figuring out where to buy.

by MarekNYC on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:23:31 PM EST
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Yes, the Bay area is more expensive than the NW.

Out of your way a bit, but I have a second cousin in southern NJ who is a full-scale organic farmer. You might be interested anyway - google "Neptune Farm". Their web-site has been "under construction" for months, but there are articles about the farm, including one about a series of wind turbine tests there.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:30:00 PM EST
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