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My little bit of faith rewarded again?

Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll

"Is Gov Palin qualified to be veep?"

Men: Yes 35-41 No
Women: Yes 25-48 No

I suspect that after the customary day of fluff coverage, those numbers may actually get worse once we get beyond the GOP convention, especially if Biden can do the Older Gentleman schtick at the veep debate while Palin makes a fool of herself (or, better yet, reveals herself as an unqualified wingnut).

Oh, my better half gets to meet Mark Warner tonight.  Our (soon-to-be) new senator here in Virginia!  Hoping she can get a picture.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:24:02 PM EST
Foe me this is the "you couldn't ask for a better set of candidates" election.  A year ago, for the Dems., I was one of those "Anybody but Hillarity" people.  Didn't care if it was Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Obama, etc.  Didn't think the black guy had a chance in America.  Glad we dodged the Edwards' bullet.  

Whan Obama iced it, I was once again ""Anybody but Hillarity" for VEEP, just keep it reasonable.  And I got the best I could ask for, Biden.  Now McBain chooses the equivalent of a stripper for his VEEP.

This is the one to win people.  Do something with this opportunity.  Get back the Constitution.  Ferret out the corruption.  Public trials/executions.  Rein in the oil/coal/etc. multinationals.  

This might be your last chance, citizens.  DON'T FUCK IT UP !

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:40:44 PM EST
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The GOP convention now becomes a major deal.  

One observation: McCain in his effort to derail the media spotlight on Obama has shifted attention to Palin.  Bet a dollar the spotlight, speculation, and commentary, is going to focus on how Palin did/is doing rather than McCain and the GOP message.

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:48:53 PM EST
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I don't think McCain did a lot to derail the Democrats, having a look at the tracking polls.  Gallup, under my math (which, for the record, has some controversial assumptions), should tick down for Obama tomorrow, and then tick back up Monday to about an 8-point lead -- the reason being that I think they had a poor sample Thursday night (unless the public suddenly decided it didn't like Bill Clinton and Joe Biden, which isn't likely).  So we have to wait for Monday for that to be purged from the average.

I do think the Palin picked served to, temporarily at least, slow Obama-Biden down a bit, but I reckon it was still 48/40 or 50/42 in last night's polling (which would be the first polling that covered Obama's speech).

Shifting the spotlight to Palin has very little upside to McCain now, if these polls from Ras are to be believed, because the more people know, the more I think they're going to be asking themselves, "WTF?"  (Certainly the figures on Intrade support that idea.  His stock has dropped about 5% of its value today, putting his chances of winning below 40% again, and Obama's above 60%.)

All the pick did was create noise after Obama's speech.  That was the main goal McCain needed to accomplish, because a day of fawning over it on the networks and cable channels could been devastating to the Reps.  Again, if they didn't do something big, I think there was a good chance the election would've been decided Thursday night.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 03:53:43 PM EST
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Meanwhile on dKos it's soap opera time.

I have a feeling the Palin pick is going to keep getting weirder and weirder from now on.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 04:48:43 PM EST
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the Palin pick is going to keep getting weirder and weirder from now on

THAT you can take to a bank or financial institution of your choice.

Palin wasn't vetted.  There's a reason for the vetting process which McCain is about to be a Real World supporting-evidence example.

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:30:41 PM EST
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You know, I'm inclined to think that there might well be a cover-up there, and probably in an effort to save her political career, but I'm also inclined to think they should just let it go.  I don't like the idea dragging people's kids into campaigns, unless the kids throw themselves into it, especially if they're so young.  Kids don't get a choice on being in public life, and they should be spared the scrutiny, even if their parents are elected officials.  Everybody fucks up, especially when they're kids, and we ought to just let kids be kids.

And I don't know how to approach the issue even if the kid was pregnant.  I guess you'd run with the mocking of GOP Family Values, but I think the downside is greater than the upside.  I'm not willing to go there.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:48:53 PM EST
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Yes on both counts.

But the ironies are:

  1. If this were a Dem, the Rs would instantly be all over this story. Imagine the scandal if Obama's daughters were older and there were rumours this had happened to one of them.

  2. Fundie repub households just love their teen pregnancies - the reason this won't happen to Obama's daughters is because liberals are much better parents.

So it's just one more possible inappropriateness among many.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:07:45 PM EST
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If this were a Dem, the Rs would instantly be all over this story. Imagine the scandal if Obama's daughters were older and there were rumours this had happened to one of them.

Just wait.  There will be rumors created by the right-wing about Obama's daughters if he's elected.  God help us all if they decide to have another kid in the age of photoshopping.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:15:50 PM EST
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Of course the kids should be spared, but the campaigners cannot be.  

Goppie ´family values´ are a sick joke and should be mocked without mercy, from the divorces to the lack of parenting responsibility, to the contradictions on choice vs. lack of humane treatment during lifetime, etc.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:20:55 PM EST
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Near as I can tell the only long term advantage to Palin is she solidifies a vote that McCain was going to get anyway.  If she excites the Evangelicals and Conservatives enough to re-start the GOP '04 GOTV machine then she's done as good a job as she could be expected to do.

Problem: McCain can't win with only the Evangelical and Conservative GOTV machine.  He needs Moderates and Independents.  Palin does nothing to help with these two segments and is, IMO, more likely to hurt.

Bigger Problem:  what is her affect on down ticket races?  Especially on the House and Senate?  I don't know, don't have a clue at this point.  I do know if I was a GOP congressionalcritter running a tight race for re-election I'd be livid.  Palin, running around shooting her mouth off, is exactly what I DON'T want in a tight race in a bad environment:


Congress-wo/man?  Do you think Palin is qualified to be VP?

Congress-wo/man?  Do you agree with Palin that contraception is immoral in marriages?

Congress-wo/man?  Do you agree with Palin that abortion should be banned even in cases of rape or incest?

Congress-wo/man?  Do you SUPPORT Palin as the Vice-Presidental nominee?

Again, I don't know what is going to happen but this is beginning to look like a major GOP SNAFU.

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:26:42 PM EST
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Data from on FiveThirtyEight


Conservatives have a favorable impression of her by a 79-8 margin, but this falls to 43-35 among moderates and 26-46 among liberals. Likewise, by a 48-22 margin, conservatives think she's ready to be President, but she loses this question 23-54 among moderates and 9-67 among liberals.

Palin is -8 favorable and a whopping -31 "Ready" gap among Moderates.  Early indication: secures the Conservative vote but doesn't help outside the core GOP vote.

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 03:32:12 PM EST
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Right.  And, like I said, I don't expect those numbers to get much better in the long term.  They'll perhaps rise a bit during, and immediately after, the RNC.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 04:03:34 PM EST
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I dunno.

The numbers could easily plummet as well.

Is Palin disciplined enough to stay on pre-recorded message or does she go off on her own?  What IS the message since McCain just undercut the "experienced" issue?  How well does Palin handle pressure?  How well does she do 'interview?'  How well can she work without a net?  

None of these are answerable by anyone.  Got to wait and see.

McCain can't keep her under wraps or in any way look like she is a 'kept' - however defined - woman.  Otherwise the backlash will reverberate long past the election.  

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:39:19 PM EST
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I don't see her going off on her own intentionally.  She might say something inconsistent with a McCain policy, along the lines of the Bridge to Nowhere (which she supported and McCain opposed) or the windfall profits tax on oil.

The risk of her simply saying something stupid is very high, because she's apparently been quite open about her lack of interest in foreign affairs.  That's the biggest problem.  And it'd be catastrophic, if she did it in the debate with Biden -- something along the lines of Ford saying, "There's no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford administration."

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:22:11 PM EST
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... to the Bridge to Nowhere, even if the fact is she was for it until it became clear there was no more chance for any federal money.

The question is whether the media feels comfortable enough with the "not experienced enough to be VP, let alone President" meme to actually go after her when she, like, lies like a carpet.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:31:48 PM EST
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... will be along the lines of, "Governor Palin is not 1% as prepared to be President as Senator Clinton is."


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM EST
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Well, the obvious statement would be, "I know Hillary Clinton; I served with Hillary Clinton; Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine; Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton."  But I wouldn't go there.  And I don't think Biden would say that anyway.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:17:25 PM EST
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Too obvious ... Biden would want to say something that will get the pundits saying, "he could have said ..."


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:43:52 PM EST
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