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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 05:48:04 PM EST
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I just did.

If Americans only knew what was going on, they wouldn't be so down with this.

The sad thing is that even if Obama is elected, this isn't going to change.

Obama had a problem with the Iraq War because he thought it was the wrong war.  Not because he though war is wrong.

That's an important difference lost on many of his supporters.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 05:52:16 PM EST
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If Americans only knew what was going on, they wouldn't be so down with this.

Americans aren't going to know what's going on, because we're involved in so much bullshit around the world that it's impossible to focus them on anything when these conflicts come up except waving flags and justifying anything on grounds of supporting the troops.  What exactly do you expect to happen when a society is built on the idea that its job is to manage the world's conflicts with force?

And you're right about Obama.  But at least he got it right on something instead of swallowing the Bush administration's collective load simply because they demanded it.  Unfortunately the disease is incredibly deep, and it's not helped by the fact that the left is only slightly less clueless on foreign affairs than the right.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 05:56:37 PM EST
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Obama had a problem with the Iraq War because he thought it was the wrong war.  Not because he though war is wrong.

That's an important difference lost on many of his supporters.

Lost on them? Or one they agree with?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 06:14:17 PM EST
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We are the country that brought the world the Chia pet, what do you expect?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 06:26:38 PM EST
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War and pouring money into War Toys has been good for business and the American people since 1940.  So I presume they "agree with."
by ATinNM on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 06:31:24 PM EST
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... of Obama's policy as such, and supporters of some imagined Obama-the-pacifist-at-heart policy. And once it becomes a mass football game played with words, no telling which of the former and which of the latter sincerely mean it.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 9th, 2008 at 08:09:11 PM EST
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