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Martin:
You conflate American statistics and my purely German experience.

You don't have a purely German experience. You have a European experience where the authoritarian Catholic church collided with secular social democracy in a series of battles which lasted centuries, and eventually social democracy won - at least for the moment.

In other countries - especially in Africa - that battle is still being fought, and the results are as predicted. I.e. lives are laid waste to, and the consequences are even more horrific than they are in the US.

Martin:

Dumb people follow some form of explicit or implicit authority, and in the US it happens to be, that this authorities, which are used to replace own thinking, are pro-live.

Pro-life authorities in the rest of the world aren't known for encouraging independent thought.

Can you name a pro-life organisation anywhere in the world which supports original scientific and philosophical enquiry and doesn't operate from a 'Because I said so' moral foundation?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 01:14:59 PM EST
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You have a European experience where the authoritarian Catholic church collided with secular social democracy in a series of battles which lasted centuries, and eventually social democracy won - at least for the moment.

Quibble here but that's not completely true in areas where Catholics weren't the majority. Witness the rather different nature of the Catholic political movement in Bavaria and the Rhineland during the Kaiserreich and Weimar.

by MarekNYC on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 01:44:41 PM EST
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You should be more clear in your first part, what exactly you are talking about. In general history of Europe, the catholic church and social democracy are just two of quite a number of players.

Of course the only pro-live organisations I'm aware of, the churches in Germany, do support original scientific and philosophical enquiry in nearly every fields.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 02:57:48 PM EST
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