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When executives said they had underestimated collateral requirements in the event of a credit downgrade, S&P promptly reduced the company's rating, from BBB+, saying the revelation showed "a lapse in the company's risk management and control process."

Constellation says "we're not in a good position to face a downgrade by S&P" and S&P, on hearing this says "okay, I'll downgrade you".

Is S&P stupid?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 07:21:00 AM EST
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Is S&P stupid?

Well judging on how relentlessly positive they've been about organisations who have heavily invested in securities that have been little better than toilet paper, if that then you'd have to say you've good evidence to say yes.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 07:41:03 AM EST
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Stupid is as stupid does.

S&P got into a heap of trouble following the Enron crack-up by not looking past the companies financial (mis-) statements to the underlying reality.  So to avoid that mistake they are going to quickly down rate companies on the edge and by down rating those companies they drop their debt rating below 'investment grade.'  Once that happens insurance companies & etc. are forced to sell the paper, driving the interest rates of that paper up, increasing the cost of the debt, & so on through the downward spiral making the ratings downgrade a self-fulfilling prediction.

Which "proves" the ratings system "works."  (For a low value of "proof" and "works.")

I, for one, sit back and marvel at the asininity of it all.
 

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 08:05:49 AM EST
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Credit ratings should be taken out of the centre of financial regulation, which is where they have been put over the past few years.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 09:14:04 AM EST
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You don't think having private companies effectively setting determining the global interest rate schedule is a good idea?  As we all know the Unobservable Foot¹ of the Market does just fine.  Look at the US and UK for proof.

¹  My humble suggestion for updating the 'Invisible Hand' metaphor.

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 09:33:31 AM EST
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No, it is an atrocious idea. Almost as bad as personal credit rating.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 01:23:03 PM EST
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Doesn't Buffet have a large position in S&P? Or was it Moodys?

</tinfoil hat>

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 at 10:04:58 AM EST
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