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The document has made it onto the www. It is a 19pp pdf, US Southern District of NY. See rebeltraders.com. Of interest are Top Ten excerpted from Schedule 1, 30 Largest Unsecured Claims (excluding insiders). The Asian exchanges are closed for holiday today. Australians suspended LEH trading, although in terms of dollar exposure, Japanese commercial and investment banks rank higher over all LEH creditors. Not highly enough perhaps to have been invited to the war room this weekend.

Top Ten, USD billions

Citibank N.A. and Bank of New York Mellon Corp (indenture trustees, sr notes)Bond debt$138
Bank of New York Mellon Corp (indenture trustees, sub. notes)Bond debt$12
Bank of New York Mellon Corp (indenture trustees, jr. sub. notes)Bond debt$5
AOZORA, TokyoBank loan0.436
Mizuho Corp. BankBank Loan0.289
Citibank N.A. Hong KongBank Loan0.275
BNP ParibasBank Loan0.250
Shinsei Bank Ltd, TokyoBank Loan0.231
UFJ Bank Ltd, TokyoBank Loan0.185
Sumitomo Mitsubishi Banking Corp., TokyoBank Loan0.177

total $156.8B

Hua Nan Commercial Bank LtdBank Loan0.59
Bank of ChinaBank Loan0.50
Bank of TaiwanBank Loan0.25
Taipei Fubon BankBank Loan0.10

total $144M

It is unclear for whom or institutional investors Citi and Bank of New York manage custodial accounts. With it filing, LEH also applied for a waiver of the requirement for filing a complete list of creditors. "The schedule of liabilities to be subsequently filed should be consulted for a list of the Debtor's creditors that is comprehensive and current as of the date of commencement of this case." That task will take some time, I'm sure.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:16:49 AM EST
Does that mean Citi is losing $138bn today?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:22:41 AM EST
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And, if so, can Citi afford to lose $138bn?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:24:13 AM EST
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I'm not so sure. I'm not licensed, remember? To attempt answer, I'd have to dig around Cit 8-K and 10-Q footnotes. First, I must grocery shop and chill beer. Yes, it's come to that ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:37:43 AM EST
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<speculation class=wild>Well, it appears from what you posted that Citi holds 90% of Lehman's unsecured debt. Lehman's latest balance sheet on gogole finance is $500bn assets and $480 liabilities. So if Lehman's assets get written down by 4% that takes out all the equity (well, that has happened already obviously).

If Lehman's assets get written down by 10%, then $30bn unsecured debt doesn't get paid and Citi loses $27bn out of $90bn (market cap). So Citi's shares would go down by 30%.

If Lehman's assets get written down by 20%, then that's $80bn unsecured debt unpaid, of which Citi eats $72bn (80% of Citi's market cap).

And if Lehman's assets get written down by 25% or more, that's it for Citi.</speculation>

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:51:28 AM EST
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ShitiGroup goes down!  Down goes ShitiGroup!

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 10:02:55 AM EST
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As a holder of Senior Notes Citibank, in theory and practice, could be paid-off in full with the other subordinate debt holders get the shaft.

All depends on the Bankruptcy work-out.

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 12:18:22 PM EST
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Right.

However, the other debt is small enough that "getting the shaft" is unlikely to topple the others. It's the $138bn figure that stands out.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 12:25:35 PM EST
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Need to look at and see how much of these assets© are generating positive Cash Flow.  Right now Balance Sheet Accounting is meaningless.  Nobody knows what that shit is worth.  As long as Net Income is positive Citi can stay in business.

At least until they have to do some debt roll-over.

Then ... who knows?

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 12:38:27 PM EST
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Could be that this was what much of the credit default swap two hour special session on Sunday was about.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 01:03:57 PM EST
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not to mention 12 USC 17. LEH is a financial holding company rather than national charter bank or bank holding company. Some unusual considerations, mmm hmm, will apply.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 12:50:55 PM EST
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Can you give a quick explanation? (For those of us who don't want to search through pages of the US legal code...)
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 05:17:44 PM EST
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Gracious! I think that's a diary. For one, the FRB is the principal regulator of financial and bank holding companies; Paulson abets Bernanke evidently to circumvent SEC jurisdiction and prosecution; and case law allows corps plenty latitude in dispositions.

That's what I mean by "unusual consideration." I'll give it --facts available to the public-- some thought, then report.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 07:21:56 PM EST
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MT is apparently still living with the idea that our elite economic players operate within the laws that little shits like all of us operate within.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:25:45 PM EST
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LOL. No. I'm merely wanting to be helpful by offering some kind of explanation as to how US arrived at the current predicament. The law (USC) is a document trail if nothing else, and it leads straight to "our" bipartisan Congress.

Frankly, not Bush. Sorry, that freak is a "comma" in the scheme. The electorate will continue to seat their hoary jackasses despite it all and expecting somehow a different result ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Sep 17th, 2008 at 02:58:42 PM EST
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How funny it would be if all these banks crashed, bought each other, merged some more, crashed again, just to be all bought at bargain basement prices by the only who still has a considerable pile of dry gunpowder, Warren Buffet.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 09:53:50 AM EST
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No.

The loss depends on the terms of the Bankruptcy proceedings and how much 'Good Stuff' (positive Cash Flow instruments) there is in Lehman.

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 12:14:22 PM EST
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is just the place where the securities are deposited - it's acting as custodian and is not really owning these assets - just holding them on behalf of third parties.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 04:28:22 PM EST
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AP via Google: Lehman Brothers files for Chapter 11 protection
In its bankruptcy petition, Lehman listed Citigroup among its biggest unsecured creditors, with about $138 billion in bonds as of July 2. The Bank of New York Mellon Corp. was listed as holding about $17 billion in debt.

Citi and Bank of New York both said Monday they serve as trustees for Lehman debt, not that they are creditors themselves. Citi issued a statement to say that its role is "administrative in nature and does not represent exposure for Citi to Lehman." Bank of New York said, "In this situation, our role has been to serve as a trustee for certain Lehman Brothers bond offerings. We have no outstanding loans to Lehman."

Lehman said that as of May 31, it had assets of $639 billion and debt of $613 billion.



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 08:52:55 AM EST
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Trustee, eh?

AFAIK, IANAL, a trustee can be held responsible for loses upon failing the Due Diligence, Misfeasance, and/or Malfeasance Tests.  

Reckon it depends on how the Trust or Trustee Contract was written?

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 02:07:06 PM EST
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