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The WSJ says on its front page that this might still just be a negotiating ploy.

Good point.  I'd keep an eye on the WSJ.  Murdoch hasn't purged the good reporters there yet.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:50:35 PM EST
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The Financial Times in London is more specific:


Top Wall Street executives and regulators were on Sunday night racing to thrash out a rescue plan for Lehman Brothers as Barclays of the UK, one of two front-runners to buy the stricken bank, said it would walk away unless the US government provided a financial safety net for a takeover.

Barclays said it would withdraw from the race after failing to secure a US government guarantee over Lehman's potentially huge trading and credit losses. However, in a sign of the increasing brinkmanship over the rescue the UK bank indicated that a change in the government's position would bring it back to the table.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:19:41 PM EST
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The last-minute request of a vote by the shareholders certainly points to Barclay's simply playing hardball.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:23:38 PM EST
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BBC Business editor, Robert Preston: Latest view of Barclays walk out

It's decision, which was described by an executive close to the negotiations as "pretty definitive and unlikely to change", is a setback for attempts to rescue Lehman, which are being coordinated by the US Treasury and the New York Federal Reserve


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:48:31 PM EST
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Hmm.  So, for those who do the investment thing, what should we expect from the markets if there's no deal?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:54:27 PM EST
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Deal, financial stocks go up. No deal, financials crash.

At least on Monday. As we saw from this week's Monday-Tuesday movements, predicting the effect of government actions more than 12 hours in advance is suicidal in the current climate :-)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:05:17 PM EST
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Still have to contend with WaMu, though, and I think it's reasonable to suggest it's only a matter of time there.  That's a big one.

I'm a little concerned about Wachovia as well.  Probably pulling my money out of it this week.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:08:33 PM EST
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Ain't bin no injuns round these part for nigh on <sssssftum> aaaaaarrrgghhh.

Don't listen to the oldtimers Drew, get the frick out of anything that doesn't create tangible assets. Invest in spades.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:15:42 PM EST
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Invest in spades.

(insert joke about donating to Obama here)

</snark>

(Awful, I know, but I couldn't resist.)

My retirement account, which doesn't have a lot in it anyway, is with Barclay's.  It's a forty-year evolutionary one.  The rest of my stuff is FDIC insured, I think, although I'm not positive on he IRA.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:21:57 PM EST
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No Drew, use the spades to dig holes into which you can crawl.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 05:48:44 PM EST
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Rest assured, I do plenty of that.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 05:58:17 PM EST
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Fr the record, I recognize the joke was way over the top.  I apologize.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 06:22:38 PM EST
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No need to apologize. I have enjoyed the exchange.  If you want to insult or upset me you will have to work a lot harder.  Besides, I agree with much of what you said. But the fact remains that in a lot of red states the voting is strongly affected by small town and rural voters.  It is a different world with a different world view.  

Progressives need to learn how to address small town and rural voters in an effective way in order to peel off a substantial portion that I suspect can be recruited to support a progressive agenda.  To speak in terms of icons or architypes, we may never recruit the John Wayne fans of that world, but we may have success with the Clark Gable fans.  This is especially true with this segment's younger voters.  Most of them have to leave their homes, their families and their communities just to make a living.  There is a community of interests, but progressives must find a language that works in this demographic without losing voters it already has.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 08:00:09 PM EST
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I did not get it at all. Good thing there is wikipedia or I would have had to ask.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 10:44:37 AM EST
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a fall even if a deal is reached as people will move on to Merrill and AIG. If no deal, then it will be ... lively (I expect more Fed or Treasury intervention of some kind)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:30:39 PM EST
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Well, the NYT says it's looking like liquidation for Lehman.

So I suppose "lively" is our likely outcome.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:39:30 PM EST
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