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Congressman Frank Pallone of New Jersey has accused Palin of treason for her work in the Alaska Independence Party.

Wow.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 03:41:01 PM EST
we could see that grin on your face. I can't suppress the feeling you're loving this to pieces.
by Nomad on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:02:27 PM EST
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I can't express the awesomeness of this properly.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:06:02 PM EST
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 If the AIP isn't an illegal organisation, then she's done nothing wrong. As I said last night, you might as well change people who fly the confederate flag.

Course you might question her committment to the republican party, especially in the light of her video address to them from the governor's office. you might question her fitness to be VP (although that's McCain's job) but a traitor... ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:06:08 PM EST
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Wouldn't this be like making someone from the SNP deputy PM?

It's certainly bizarre and eccentric, but unless the AIP runs paramilitary domestic terrorism schools, I'm not sure it's treasonous.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:15:06 PM EST
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Of course it's not treasonous.  I'm just stunned to hear of a Democrat saying that about a Republican after years of it being said of us.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:37:17 PM EST
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Okay - not so much understanding patriotism here, this being Europe where we don't really do patriotism unless there's food involved.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:07:03 PM EST
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British food? I realize you've got all those immigrants as well as fancy chefs applying French techniques to Brit food now, but in terms of old school home cooking I don't think I'd be that patriotic. Ditto for the Germans.
by MarekNYC on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:18:10 PM EST
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(Shhhhhh....

....nobody mention pancakes)

by Sassafras on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:49:33 PM EST
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Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:59:43 PM EST
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Ack!

Sassafras mentioned the "P" word!

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:02:10 PM EST
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That's not PANCAKES we can believe in!

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:13:26 PM EST
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Or footballs.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 06:00:48 AM EST
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It's not treason legally. But the AIP's website does include the following quote by the founder:
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
With all we've been learning about Alaskan politics in the last few days, I've started wondering if we should sell it back to Russia...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:46:33 PM EST
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It means the Democrats are going to go after the GOP nominees as the GOP has been doing for the last 30 years.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:16:38 PM EST
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Maybe
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:18:02 PM EST
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McCain has canceled his interview with Larry King tonight because Campbell Brown pwn3d Tucker Bounds last night on CNN.

Now Todd Palin, we find, was an AIP member until 2002.

I can't even keep up.

Josh Marshall has thrown his hands up.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:36:10 PM EST
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ROTFLMAO

Since the McCain campaign said they vetted her McCain must not care about her AIP membership.

This gets better all the time.

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 04:45:28 PM EST
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Just trundled round a couple of celeb gossip sites wondering what they'd picked up,and there are rumours of Naked pics of her wandering the net too...

just to really get the christian right frothing.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:40:00 PM EST
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Those rumors have allegedly circulated for a while without any actual photos coming up.  I think it's more winger fantasy than anything.  Most of them have never seen naked women before (at least not ones worth seeing naked), so you know....

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:51:53 PM EST
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send us an email address.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:55:16 PM EST
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An email?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:09:00 PM EST
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yes, throw an email at my email address

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:12:20 PM EST
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Have replied.  Again: Oh my.

Dunno if that's her, though.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:22:52 PM EST
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as I said the source is entirely dubious, but that is the one that is being touted around as real.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:26:32 PM EST
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She's a former beauty queen, I'd be shocked if there were nothing of the sort.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:59:39 AM EST
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There's a diary on dKos with a great line

Does everyone understand now why Obama has been signaling to back off on Sarah Palin? Because for once, the realities of this misbegotten candidacy are so apparent that even the supermarket tabloids can pick up on them.

You know, "back off!" is what they shout when a missile is misfiring on the launchpad--it's either going to fizzle out or explode.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 05:46:25 PM EST
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It's true, but, at the same time, the more the better.  If we can force her off the ticket in St Paul, it will almost certainly kill McCain's campaign.

It's a verbal blood sport.  No mercy.  Keep firing until the chamber's empty.

And Obama said to back off the daughter, not Sarah Palin.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:08:01 PM EST
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Are you sure ?? Palin is about as bad as it can get. Pure comedy gold. Lose her and he might pick a politician who knows what they're doing. She is a hick from the backwoods who's lost in the big city politics, she is a big fat red arterial bleed for McCain and the sharks are biting off chunks for fun.

Leave her alone.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:16:17 PM EST
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Palin isn't the point. People don't really vote based on who they want to be VP. But the reflection on McCain's judgement is wonderful. And that'll hold true if he dumps her. As Drew says, it's particularly good that this is happening during the convention when lot's of low info undecideds have just begun to really pay attention.
by MarekNYC on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:20:38 PM EST
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And some early signs are actually pointing to a reverse-bounce for the GOP right now from Palin and the convention.  I don't know if that will hold.  We'll see.  But that'd be big.

Obama's surging.  McCain's falling.  Gotta keep it up.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:32:31 PM EST
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Agree the situation looks promising.  

We need to keep our objectivity going, though.

Palin can pull it out with a boffo speech.  The GOP has the capability to run a lean, mean, Gettin' Out the Vote Machine.  The Fundies and Conservatives are stoked.  McCain is starting to raise money.  Their Propaganda Message people are First Rate.

This ain't anywhere near over.

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:55:25 PM EST
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Normally the conventioning parties get about 4% extra votes down to exposure during their conventions it then falls away. Is there any case before of a party actually managing  to drop their numbers during their convention? and if so did they recover in the couple of weeks after?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:21:45 PM EST
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Here's a good analysis of a Convention Bounce.  Naturally the only negative bounce was good old McGovern in '72.

(oh well)

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 09:24:17 PM EST
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Drew: I didn't realize this about you.  You are a blood-thirsty basta..; I like that about you.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:47:01 PM EST
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Drew, can you believe this ?

   ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly is taking the McCain campaign to task for notifying her at the last-minute that Sarah Palin will be a no-show on Tuesday when the Republican National Coalition for Life holds an event honoring the Alaska governor.

    "I think this is clearly somebody in the McCain campaign who doesn't understand where the votes are coming from," Schlafly told ABC News. "They only told me this at 10 o'clock last night and it was a call from somebody down-the-line in the McCain campaign."

Palin isn't going to show to a meeting set-up to honor her?  Schlafly was informed by "somebody down-the-line?"

Jesus.  The McCain campaign seems to think they are running for County Clerk.

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:29:22 PM EST
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It's only the second day of the convention, and the GOPers are in lockdown.  Palin is now in an undisclosed location.  Even Katie Couric is ripping her.  And when you lose an airhead like Couric, you know it's going to shit.

Camp McCain is under siege.  And they don't know what to do.

And to think Palin was a darling of the wingers -- one of their up and coming stars.  They can sure pick'em on the other side of the aisle, can't they?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:42:35 PM EST
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The pros on the Other Side must be in full freak-out mode to lock her down like that; it goes against all political tactics when you've GOT to be introducing a newbie - on someone else's dime, no less - to the electorate.  They've got to be wandering around wondering what ELSE is buried under the not-so-frozen-no-more Alaskan tundra.  
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 07:55:10 PM EST
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Interesting (long) writeup about Palin, supposedly by someone who knows her personally, at
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidate (very slow load) starts off:

"I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city."

and ends up:

"Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness."

by asdf on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 09:43:56 PM EST
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