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Marek, don't banks have to still do business and make a profit?  Perhaps the most entrepreneurial sectors get squeezed, but life goes on, does it not?  The entire spigot doesn't get turned off.

i get at least two calls a day from banks and funds around the world asking about windpower.  Some of them are probably reeling from the caps on short-selling, as well as investor bailing.  But they still want to put whatever funds remain into something productive.

Am i missing something here?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 07:39:16 PM EST
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The system hasn't collapsed, it's just in bad shape. If you allow a full collapse no more such calls until new banks get formed.
by MarekNYC on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 07:46:48 PM EST
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Are those banks exposed to the banks you want to see fail?

E.g., if Goldman Sachs defaults on its debt and the recovery rate is 5%, does your phone stop ringing?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 01:58:58 AM EST
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One can't be sure, because i don't know how much good paper they or others have remaining.  But for certain, as any good hobo knows, the freight trains didn't stop running during the Depression.

When Gore ratchets up the renewable energy = fix the economy argument, trying to emulate Germany, we should at least manage to keep working.  Somebody will finance that growth.

Some bankers have told me that the flight from toxic capital to windpower is partly responsible for high valuations of the public companies.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 04:05:07 AM EST
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But for certain, as any good hobo knows, the freight trains didn't stop running during the Depression.

And neither will your wind turbines stop spinning, but how many new loans for the purchase of new freight trains were made during the Depression?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 04:13:55 AM EST
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This is, of course, one of the great dangers: a depression could rob us of the capital and capacity required to refit the economy just when we most need it and drop the price of oil to a level that makes greening seem economically unnecessary.

Good luck selling wind turbines when the unemployment rate sky-rockets - unless someone persuades governments to indulge in a huge investment programme in the face of US$40 oil.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 04:28:38 AM EST
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Good luck selling wind turbines when the unemployment rate sky-rockets - unless someone persuades governments to indulge in a huge investment programme in the face of US$40 oil.
Reconstructing the energy and transportation sectors and educating the next generation of scientists and engineers with incentive scholorships would be a 21st Century equivalent of the '30s WPA and similar projects along with the post WWII GI Bill.

As long as we do these things within our economy and don't require imported goods we should be readily able to finance it.  It is primarily a question of vision and political will.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 08:55:36 PM EST
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Speaking form experience, even profitable business lines (like financing wind power) get squeezed when there is no liquidity.

We are being asked to reduce our activity, right now. Many other banks have been absent from the market from months already.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 09:30:34 AM EST
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I don't dispute that many, perhaps almost all banks, are "reducing activity."  But i find far more banks than 18 months ago are making serious inquiries and even investments in various windpower sectors.  Each individual bank may be diminishing funding, but the sum total is greater, perhaps far greater.  (There are no stats in this sector i am aware of.)

A bank still standing, thanks to its relationship with the current SecTreas, is exploring new markets for wind as we speak.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Sep 24th, 2008 at 04:43:27 PM EST
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