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Of course the consequences of a Wall Street melt-down will be stark and terrible in the short term - with many ordinary people losing their jobs and homes.

More terrible than usual, only in the fact it will all happen at once, visibly. ordinary people have been losing their houses and jobs for years as a result of having these policies in place. The fact that they have been salami-sliced away rather than being cleaved off in one stroke dosn't make the losses any less painful.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 03:56:08 AM EST
It will be more terrible in the sense that many good businesses and "solid citizens" will also be swept away in the meltdown.  It's not just the gamblers and crooks who will suffer - and they are probably so rich anyway, they won't care.  Pensions will implode.  Profitable businesses won't be able to access capital to sustain or expand their operations.  Inflation will impoverish those on fixed incomes and kill off those on little or none.  When a solid system fails it is only those on the margins who suffer.  When a house of cards collapses, almost everyone is swept away in its wake.

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 06:12:15 AM EST
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Have you been using [Frank's Crystal Ball of Doom™ Technology] ?

Which is not to say that I disagree -at least to an extent.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 07:08:33 AM EST
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When people like Bush start using phrases like "economic 9/11", worst economic crises since the Great Depression, etc. you can take it that a degree of alarm is widespread within the system, and often more extreme in the case of those in the know.  Banks have stopped lending to each other precisely because all trust and confidence has broken down.  When the largest bank failure in history (Washington Mutual) is but one item amongst many on a daily news cycle you know there are some problems around - and you shouldn't need me to tell you so!!!.

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 07:24:16 AM EST
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Oh, I know the system is collapsing. It leads me to heated discussions with some colleagues who tend to ridicule me for mentioning it.

On the other hand, we have a couple of silver linings.
One is that quite a lot of the non-financial economy is holding reasonably well in a lot of the world. I don't know about USA all that much (don't feel like going as long as they spread paranoia at the airport), but a lot of activity is pretty much business as usual in Europe.

The other, main one, is that there is a ready plan for the crisis, which has been discussed here repeatedly. And, unlike in the 30s, it's highly unlikely that a lot of the economy will be directed towards a global war.
Now, will this plan see the day? I don't know. USA have taught me to be pessimistic. But can I just state that everyone will starve? I don't think so. A sustainable development Marshall plan would do wonders.

It's a major crisis, but I'm still more far concerned by environmental degradation, water depletion and global warming than by the financial system collapse.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 08:59:46 AM EST
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If this is an economic 911, does that make Bush the terrorist pilot aiming at World Trade?
by Andhakari on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 09:38:25 AM EST
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No, but it means that he allowed two disasters to happen on his watch, and this time he was a major contributor to it happening

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 10:05:08 AM EST
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this guy is right on the money...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 07:42:25 AM EST
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i should have said, this is kevin phillips

'Bad Money' by Kevin Phillips - Los Angeles Times


Still, "Bad Money" isn't entirely lacking in those. Who knew, for example, that former KGB agent Vladimir Putin earned the Russian equivalent of a doctorate from a prestigious St. Petersburg mining institute and that the dissertation he defended there dealt with the exploitation of natural resources as an engine of national development? As Phillips glancingly but provocatively suggests, knowing that tells us something instructive about Putin's transformation of Russia into a global oil titan, as well as about his aspirations for further development of a polar oil field with resources that may exceed Saudi Arabia's. (Phillips hasn't lost his talent for phrase making, and "kommissar kapitalism" seems a particularly apt description of Putin's Russia.)

Because he knows the territory in a deep and reflective way, Phillips has a keen eye for the relevant historical quotation. America's recent economic folly, for example, is neatly summarized in a remark that the British colonial secretary, Joseph Chamberlain, made in 1904 to a smug group of his country's financiers: "Granted that you are the clearinghouse of the world, [but] are you entirely beyond anxiety as to the permanence of your great position? . . . Banking is not the creator of our prosperity but is the creation of it. It is not the cause of our wealth, but it is the consequence of our wealth."



~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 27th, 2008 at 07:50:31 AM EST
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